History is a Crock

Wars and tribes are a part of civilizations. If you mean to say that countries who fight in wars are not civilized, then you're saying most of the world isn't civilized. So, yeah...Kenya is a civilization.

 

no, i meant that they diddt have a civilization not because of the wars, but because of the fact that they only had like 20 people per tribe. dont be an idiot, you knew what i meant.

 

if only politicians were taight history, then they would tell us things that never happened and would lie and manipulate us more. an we would believe them because we dont know any better.

 

You obviously don't know much about other parts of the world. Kenya isn't all 20 person tribes.

 

Classical Greece left written records. I am unaware of Kenyan records from the same period. (If I am wrong about that, I would like to know.)
That is probably part of the reason that Greek history is more widely taught than Kenyan.

 

kenya isnt now but in the ancient world it was. there is a difference between civilization and culture. kenya had a culture like everyone in the world did. but they did not have a civilization

 

I've heard of ancient sub-Saharan African civilizations, but no details (like where the cities were/are.) Does anyone have any more info.

 

My point exactly. You are 'unaware' of the Story of Kenya from the same time, and your impressions of Greece are all hearsay.

WWII history? I'm choking on my cigarette! Will they tell us in high school that Granpa Bush funded the Nazis? Or will they just tell us that for the Supreme Cause of Good and Righteousness the Americans joined the fray, fended off the ugly Germans and gave those Japanese what-for?

My initial point was that most of what is called 'history' is untrue, or at least shown from a very particular point-of-view. For another example, many people believe that Egyptians are Arabs. Not in Egypt, though! They ( maintain that they are Egyptians, and that Arabic peoples come from the Sinai and points North. So whose history is correct?

 

Um, all hearsay? yes well over a hundred years of excavations and THOUSANDS of literay/political/economic/etc works...'hearsay.' Lets not confuse the Trojan War without actual history.

Arent we already? you know about it.

Just because history maybe one sided does not make it untrue. To dismiss it as such shows your stupidity and not those who read history. Written history + achaelogical evidence(in the case of the greeks and others) has helped us determine what is true and false in many, many cases.


it is sad that you use the name demosthenes and you are 1) ridiculing history, 2) know jack shit about history and how to use it.

 

They dont tell us the same organizations behind the Third Reich, rule Israel too.
NEither do they tell us the holocaust was first thought of and funded by Zionists as a means to have an excuse to setup Israel, and eventually rebuild the temple. Not by the Israelites but by these occult satanists that jumped aboard Judaism because of its belief in a coming Moschiah. Or messianic age. Thus using it as a viable method for mass mind control, via the New World Order. Most jews know that Zionism isn't Jewish. Most jews know the star of david is really the seal of solomon. Which is an occult symbol capable of harnessing an army of Jinn for mass slavery. Granting he who is in control a "sorcerer esque" status. This is not the religion of Abraham, Noah or moses. But instead the babylonian and Egyptian priesthoods.

 

That's very eloquent of you. Nice to see intelligent discussion alive and well in the public Forum.

I knew Jack Shit....Jack Shit was a friend of mine.....and you, Megara...
Ah, never mind.
Efharisho!

 

well, i am no demosthenes...

 

everything that is wrong with this world today began with sparta and then rome and then christianity being militant and reactionary because of rome. (the fallowers of mohammid had an opportunity to do better, but they blew it too).

so yes we DO need to study other paths. how they avoided, the pitfals of the main stream of the history of what is dominant today, even if they did eventualy secumb to it. and we need to this as much or more then greece and rome and 'america', other then to learn how they screwed up and how to avoid doing so.

greece, rome, and america, just had luckier dice rolls, that is the ONLY 'superiority' that has led to their dominance.

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this could be the saddest thing i've ever read.

 

civilization is something NO PLACE on planet earth has EVER had yet!

unless you use the word in the origional roman meaning of simply a political hierarchy that had and or was based in, one or more cities.

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The problem with history is that it was written by the winners of the wars. We get one side of the story, and maybe two or three if we make the effort and do more reading, but we never get the whole story.

Even what little bit we do get can teach us about the mistakes humans have made in the past. I'm not saying that we should believe everything we read, but I think it's an equal mistake to throw it all out.

I would steer you to A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn. It might offer a nice counterpoint to the view of history many American HipForum folks got in school.