Hitler and His Religion

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Evangelical Atheist, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    what minority group didn't hilter pick on??

    fuck it... old people

    they will talk about it in the history books

    the geriatricide.
     
  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    You were about to start a war against any minority group hitler did pick on? :p
     
  3. autophobe2e

    autophobe2e Senior Member

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    i accept that religion was a component of anti-semitism. it is not the only component, therefore anti-semitism can receive its own category because "religion" and "anti semitism" are not synonyms, no matter to what degree you believe them to be related.

    i did not claim that each of these root causes were mutually exclusive. fascism and totalitarianism could be seen as mutually supportive, or even interdependent. but it would be incorrect to see the terms as interchangeable in this instance because they are different.

    words.

    Moreover,we are talking about HITLER'S anti-semitism and the anti-semitism inherent to german society of the period. not anti-semitism as a general concept. one could argue very strongly that THIS was more social and economic than religious.

    given that "seeing the woods for the trees" seems to be a euphemism for a biased and unreasonable simplification of a complex issue in order to have it conform to a pre-existing generalised worldview, i'm proud to say that i agree with you.
     
  4. _Bob_

    _Bob_ Una Tana Bibi

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    Hitler was an ex-Roman Catholic that came to hate Christianity-he said that Christianity had made Germany 'soft', and that what was needed was a return to the pre-Christian Germanic pagan religions that would make Germany tough and proud. His religious system was somewhat based on that. Pope Pius XI publicly condemned Nazism in 1937 as a pagan, racist philosophy in his Encyclical Mit Breneder Sorge. It's also been alleged that Hitler was seriously into the occult, including devil worship. But I don't think it's accurate to say he was an atheist, and he certainly wasn't a Roman Catholic, not in his adulthood.
     
  5. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Hitler received birthday cards and fond wishes from the at the time pope, until the day he died.
     
  6. Evangelical Atheist

    Evangelical Atheist Member

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    Oh completely agree, I refute with facts and walk away, I cannot go into a longer conversation with someone who makes such obtuse kinds of statements. Regardless, I hear them still lol, and each time I both groan a little and chuckle a little.
     
  7. autophobe2e

    autophobe2e Senior Member

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    ah, fantastic

    i personally find it a great shame that words like "Hitler" and "the NAZIs" have become synonyms for all that is evil and demonic. not because i don't think that the acts that they commited were evil,but because defining them as such leads to a certain distancing effect, as if they were SO evil that they were unnatural and inhuman. whereas what is far scarier,and much more urgent is the fact that they WERE human, very human indeed; that the urges and motivations that compelled them to act in such horrifying ways still act on us today, and are not necessarily confined to that particular stretch of history.

    it is only by attempting to fully understand what caused the holocaust that we can hope to prevent future genocides,to dismiss the actions as "inhuman" is to encourage ignorance on the matter; as it implies that we cannot hope to understand these people and what made them do as they did,yet our attempting to understand is of critical importance.
     
  8. Evangelical Atheist

    Evangelical Atheist Member

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    My simple question, why do some people feel moved to help people, and others feel moved to hurt people? Technology, teaching, and Tron willing, (lol) we will be able to better understand and fix, as you lead to, the causes of such hostility, and willingness to be hostile.
     
  9. _Bob_

    _Bob_ Una Tana Bibi

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    It's all about love-some people are motivated by love, some by hate-Hitler was motivated by hate.
     
  10. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Reality is not at war with itself.

    Everything is love, or the call for it.
     
  11. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Your question does not teach true motive. Everyone is devoted to their own good, depending on what their model of good looks like.
     
  12. Evangelical Atheist

    Evangelical Atheist Member

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    Sounds like you're saying that in being devoted to their own good, they don't know they are doing harm to others. Am I reading that right?
     
  13. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    No. I am saying in their model of good, the state of others is of no consequence. They are neither me nor mine.
     
  14. Evangelical Atheist

    Evangelical Atheist Member

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    I'm glad I don't feel that way about other humans. (And yes I realize that if I were the same way they were I in turn wouldn't care if I felt that way lol)

    I couldn't justify a life that intentionally, willfully, harmed others.
     
  15. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    That you think justice can be had only if you share it with others adds to our humanity.
     
  16. Evangelical Atheist

    Evangelical Atheist Member

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    Thank you :) I'm just glad my neurons are wired this way lol.
     
  17. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Who or what do you thank?
     
  18. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    God only knows whether or not Hitler believed he was a Christian. All kinds of folks claim to be Christians: Pat Robertson, Newt Gingrich, the KKK, etc. Jesus gave us the fructose test for telling the false prophets for the real ones. I think we know which ones produce the bitter fruit.
     
  19. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    I like to think he believed in the ancient alien theory.
     
  20. PsychonautMIA

    PsychonautMIA Chimps gonna chimp

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    Didn't he try to get the spear of destiny? or have i been watching the lost ark too much.. lol
     
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