How Could Their Be This Fing Intolerance!!!!

it just doesn't make sense to me, if the majority of people who are eligible for marriage are defining it as one thing and you're not apart of it, why the fuck would you want to be apart of it. the majority has spoken, you're not wanted in the clique. it's like we're all still in the 7th grade, when the popular kids don't want to hang around with you and you still try to be apart of them. but then, finally, after you've matured a few years and lived through all these rejections you recognize their true colors and realize that they're not so great, and why would you want to be apart of them anyways? i mean it sounds harsh, but why can't gay couples just mature up and realize that people aren't as accepting as they'd like them to be and move past that. marriage is just a word, a word to describe something. several different words can mean/describe the same thing, so why wouldn't they just pick another word?

 

gay couples to mature up? yeahhh just like blacks should have matured up in the 50s and 60s.

"picking another word" is bullshit because separate is not equal.

 

the situation that blacks were in is COMPLETELY different. gays aren't being beaten and sequestered from society. they're simply being told by the MAJORITY: look, marriage in the BIBLE (where i believe the term marriage comes from) is defined between man and women. TOUGH SHIT, it's a WORD. i could make up a word to describe any feeling that i feel, why should it be any different for a feeling i feel for another person. if someones worried about labels SO MUCH that it's taking away from their feelings towards the person that they apparently love with all their heart, then that sounds pretty fucking fake to me. i'd never let a word define my feelings for someone else, if they were that strong. but to simply refer to them, why does the specific word have to be "marriage". is the word "marriage" magical or something? does this word secure my future and feelings with said other person? hell no, so why should so much meaning be placed on it. but i'm not gay, nor am i trying to marry another girl, so i guess i wouldn't know.

 

gays arent being beaten? brandon teena, matthew shepard? stonewall?

not being able to marry doesnt make you love the person any less. but it would be nice and justified to pay taxes in a country where you are actually regarded as an equal citizen with equal rights.

i dont need the term "marriage" to validate or recognize my relationship as real, but it would be nice if my country did.

 

now i dont support prop 8 in any way, but to be fair, it is still totally different, those are 3 ppl, compared to the multitude of blacks in the 50s 60s and before

 

besides ive never heard of the authorities spraying down a gay pride parade with fire hoses, or releasing the hounds either. they just stand aside and let them be fabulous!

 

your ignorance is sickening.

 

i always thought that forums were a place where you could be not PC...

 

on a mass scale where the police, aka "protectors", are the ones administering the beatings, no, gays are not being beaten. sure there'll be hate crimes, but then again there's hate crimes on every race/belief/etc

if equal rights is what you want, then with this new terminology for gay marriage wouldn't you just push for equal tax breaks and such?

too much struggle for a very small gain, imo

 

thats because that "gain" means nothing to you.... u dont even consider how much it means to the two people who are in love, and want to express that love in the strongest way they know how...

 

expressing love, for me at least, certainly does not require a lavish ceremony and a title with a tax break.

whatever i'm not gay, these aren't my issues and i shouldn't be talking about them.

 

i'm far from an expert.. but wouldnt a domestic partnership solve the tax issue..? as for mairrage.. if i was gay i'd certainly like to get married, but i dont see the urgency just for the title or status symbol of mairrage.

 

^but thats not the point, it has never been about the money. its about being treated the same as every one else.

 

This may be a dumb question, but I just don't understand. Ok here it goes marriage is from the Bible the bible is a religious book, but the government issues marriage liecense. So isnt that like violating separation of church and state?

 

its not about terminology its about equality. i mean with the segregated like water fountains and shit, yeah they were "equal" - like marriage vs domestic partnership are "equal"

separate isnt equal, and by banning gay marriage and giving gays "domestic partnership" instead of "marriage" is just segregating americans even further.

and when i said the tax thing, i didnt mean it was about the money. i meant i feel like i am a "real citizen" when the government needs my money, but i am not a "real citizen" in a "real relationship" when the same government is denying gay marriage.

i feel like i am only a citizen when it is beneficial and easy for my government to think of me as one. its insulting and it isnt fair. why should i pay into a welfare system and pay other peoples rent, when these are the same people that think of me as an abomination and are disgusted when they think of my relationship? that doesnt seem fair to me.

 

i dont want to argue with anyone, but i believe california did the right thing. thats all im going to say...

 

Nothing at all wrong with having an opinion that differs from most others including mine and you stated it in a non-confrontational manner. Thank you for stating an unpopular opinion with a bit of class.

 

Amen!

 

Erm... The term 'marriage' comes from Old French and before that from Latin, I think you'll find, not from the Bible (why is bible in capitals? is it important?).

It's defined by fundamentalist christians (and muslims) as being a union between a man and a woman but marriage dates back thousands of years before christianity. The Ancient Greeks were into marriage and their sexuality was wild, they were into full on orgies with women fucking men, men fucking men, women fucking women, the lot, they used to love it, it was all about the pure pleasure, there was no shame or guilt because they were just having fun at the end of the day and harming no-one. It's not really my cup of tea but I can see the logic in it. Those guys were getting married and fucking anything that moved waaaaay before Christ came onto the scene. It's nothing to do with christianity and christians aren't 'the majority' anyway. They just delude themselves and others that they are..

Gay marriage is legal here but I don't particularly find the idea of marriage attractive myself to anyone, woman or man. I agree that it shouldn't matter how it's defined if you love someone but equality and tolerance are essential in a healthy society. It's not reasonable, sensible or moral to persecute someone and make their lifestyle legally different because of where they choose to stick their nob in their own spare time, people shouldn't have to just accept it.

 

Marriage isn't from the bible....