How did you get out of a bad trip?

you should look into MAPS they are using psilocybin for treating end of life anxiety. They got a website and you can sign up! :cheers2:

http://www.maps.org/

 

Interesting U4ia, I never would have guessed that you had such adverse reactions to psychedelics.
At the same time though, anyone who really knows what a 'bad trip' is must go through the same process of panick as the connection to the body feels like its being seperated. Lord knows, I've eaten acid and magic mushrooms combined several hundred times lol, and almost every trip on mushrooms has had moments of fear that I believe are more intense than realizing your about to die physically, because there is a state of tripping some get to where you cant even remember that you took anything and are lost running circles in your own mind, like in an endless circle that pushes some people to psychotic breakdowns.
And then theres the trips where you actually think you have died, not ego death, but I mean TRULY believe you are dead, of which I've only had 2. And no amount of horror and pain can match it, which may be hard for some to believe but I've been hurt pretty fucking mad a few times in my life, but mushrooms had me in such mental/physical anguish that in my mind I was begging God or whatever it was manifesting to me in my mind to kill me. I have to admit, though its embarassing, that if I had not been going in and out of seizures and paralyzed from my eyes down, I may have even killed myself, that's how painful it was. I assumed while falling into the seizure that I had eaten poisonous mushrooms by mistake and was in the process of dying, watching my life flash before my eyes and then moving onto into some fucked up hellish nightmare lol. (this was all from mushrooms, by the way).
With LSD, I've had only one trip where I lost all coherence and had no concept of reality for a few hours during the comeup, but other than that, the only discomfort I get physically is that my arms and hands tend to go numb and vibrate mildly painfully like pins and needles. Which, considering my mushroom episode I can only think that I may be developing seizure problems, but then again, could just be a lingering fear from the previous experience.
My advice U4ia, for overcoming this fear and the reoccuring anxiety attacks concerned with your mortality, is to eat a powerful dose of magic mushrooms. And I only say this because you said that you have not experienced either the dreamy, drifting visions or the more intense dying visions. It's definitley painful, confusing as hell, and some of the emotions you will feel will hurt physically, but it's worth it to experience what dying is going to be like. Who knows? You might even be relieved. I know that I have not worried about death once, at all, since I was 15 and took my first mushroom trip (which was insane and I was alone during Winter) but something during the peak taught me to just accept, to accept everything and to cultivate love and never worry again, and without effort, I've been that way ever since.
The reality is that anyone who says LSD is more intense than mushrooms or that either of them are all about ego death for level 5 trips and peace and love and laughter for milder trips, really just has not the faintest idea of what tripping is all about. As I said before, most of my experiences have had moments of intense anxiety and panic, but somehow my body just shuts down and remains calm while my mind rases through insanity and divinity, until reaching a state that trascends all of them. And the euphoria that showers on you when the peak lets go and you are back in control of your body, allowed to experience something so beyond profound and live to reflect on it, is incomparable in my opinion.
As for having someone with you, Id say only someone you are totally comfortable with and trust to not call the police, ditch you, or mess with you if you do end up going off the deep end. Preferably someone who can hold you down should it get that bad, which it rarely does but better safe than sorry.
Psychedelics can be very fun recreational drugs but people first have to go through the tranformative process, the ego death or just the total overall mindfuck that is the peak, before they can join in with the nonsense humour. And even then, they can turn on you out of nowhere, so much respect has to be observed first.
Anyway if you ever need to talk you know you can always shoot me a message man.
God bless -

 

yeah i also advocate a "dive right in" philosophy, regarding large doses of psychedelics, especially to overcome personal obstacles. the great thing about that attitude is that since you are entering the healing process with yourself with an attitude of "this IS getting fixed" then guess what, you are gonna walk away much, much different than when you entered.

It's all about attitude. The transcendental is just the normal world, extended to infinity. If you enter that realm with apprehension, fear, negativity, lack of willpower . . . you will enter a land where those things abound in vast quantities, and you will have a negative, terrfying, crippling trip.

Of course this can happen even if you come into it like buddha, because sometimes the donkey gets the carrot and sometimes the donkey gets the shadow of the whip

and that's all it is! just the SHADOW of the whip! you **know** you're not really dying physically, and you **know** you're gonna be SOBER in a few hours and have to go back to going to work and talking to friends and all that stuff in normal life, this is just an escapade to infinity.

that's my take, if you fill yourself with positivity, warmth, strength, and a sickening amount of benevolence for all beings and non-beings and fields and particles and waves and processes in the universe, they will hug you back.

and that hug will change your life

 

do I need to have seizures on a trip in order to understand what tripping's all about? or are you saying someone needs to feel the potential hell of psychedelics in order to have authentic experience? As usual I'm probably misunderstanding but I fail to see your thinking here.

 

How did you come up with that comparison to what he said? He is saying that tripping is a much deeper experience then just getting fucked up and loving one another. That is what I got from it anyways.

He was saying it's not all about going to the extreme, and it's not all about fun. It's about exploring yourself. So until you can learn to use it as a tool, you really don't understand the potential of psychedelics.

Was I close RELAYER?

 

because of the context in which he placed it. He could have meant what you posted, and if so right awn. But he's compared acid to shrooms before saying that mushrooms are inherently more linked to the godhead. I just presume that these things we experience are within us and these tools only release it. I think shrooms are only more spiritual or more intense if you believe that they are, or if shrooms are more simpatico with your particular body or neurochemistry.

it was just really laced with ad hominem personal experience. I really fail to see how you can say with any degree of absolutism that anyone who says lsd is more intense than shrooms doesn't quite understand tripping. You don't have to have any number of bad trips to know what's in your soul.
we cannot adequately compare our experiences enough to make assertions so universal.

 

corrective thinking... i constantly remind myself of things when i am tripping. knowing what to do/think and when is something you can only learn from experience though! so jump right in!