How Do People Find Religion

Like I told you yesterday GB. It's perfectly fine for you to disregard what you don't like out of personal preference. But the moment somebody else comes along that does the same, but happens to disregard what your personal preferences are, then that's a no no and you have to stand your ground. It's hypocritical and nothing more.

You folk can call me whatever name under the sun you want if it makes you feel any better. It does not bother me. My life isn't going to affected, my ego will not be bruised because a few random dudes on the internet disagree with me. That's almost as pointless as getting worked up over somebody elses religious beliefs.

What I posted didn't need any correcting. It was how I felt. And how I still feel. That, it shouldn't matter personally to anybody what anybody else is believing. And I feel sad, sorry.. you name it for anybody that has to have personal matter dealing with it. That's what I said, that's what I'm feeling. I'm not going to read anybody else's post that belligerently tries to disconcern my personal feelings. You can post after post until the cows come home, but my feelings won't change. They're apart of me as my religious beliefs are too.

If that's something to bully a harmless girl on the Internet about, then I think we truly have found our cowards.

 

Perhaps some folk here should learn how to use the block member feature provided on this website. That way, they won't have to read what I say and what I believe won't be personally effecting their daily lives. They could even learn to progress their lives a little bit without having to worry about what the Irminsul is thinking on the daily. And they wouldn't have to go back and re-read what I said to digest what I said to then have to sit and think about a come back to present to me about what I said. What loser actually does this??

I'm grateful y'all hold me in high regard enough to keep my name falling out your mouths, but it's not necessary, boys.

 

By refusing to respond to questions prompted to you regarding assertions you made by saying "Same shit, I've heard it all before" you are not standing any ground in your views. You are forfeiting the opportunity to express YOUR views, which makes your whole position seem like castles made of sand, particularly when you are not hesitant to unabashedly criticize other viewpoints.

If we are not willing to examine and explain our views to each other then what are we left with? We stoop down to this level of slander and name calling and it seems really counterproductive to learning or exploring how we arrive at our own understanding.

 

I don't need to respond to questions because I didn't intend to have a productive argument. I simply posted what's on my mind like I do any other thread. My conversation in this ended the moment I signed out for the night, as I think it did for the person that was actually IN THE CONVERSATION which wasn't you or that other fellow.

 

At least that shows...

 

It should never have never showed as anything different GB.
The emoticons and expressions I used in the posts should have given off the vibe that I was only sharing my thoughts at the time and were nothing too serious.

I will change the way I express myself when I want to be held in a serious regard. This was not one of those moments at all. If anybody thinks any different, you need to stop thinking and speaking for me.

 

This is all really a look but don't see and listen but don't hear situation.

That is. Is you looked at what I wrote but you didn't read it, or, you heard what I said but you didn't listen to it.

All you saw and heard was what you wanted to see and hear. And what that was was an argument or something. What it was in reality wasn't an argument at all, just an expression. A harmless expression with not one shred of malice intended.

 

I am completely comfortable with my reaction to what was said. Sometimes it may be difficult to recognize an intent of what is said online as we are only going by the text but since that is all we are going by, asking for clarification and prompting critical thinking is the best technique to go by for forums imo, particularly in a thread which asks us to question what we believe and think.

 

I think religion is similar to political opinion in its origins, effects and general scariness. Why do people put their faith in Donald Trump?

 

Presumably because they like playing follow my leader.

But I don't think religion has the same origin or function as politics. Politicians generally don't promise immortality, and even if they'd like us to think they are infallible, it doesn't really come over that way.. Also, politicians can be voted out. You can't vote out religion. Even oppressive dictatorships find it hard to eliminate.

 

I apologize for keeping your busy, MeAgain. I already thought I would cause some drama by criticizing certain atheists on here (again), but why not share my 2 cents. The ones I was referring to make every thread relating to god or religion into a questioning game with a terrible closeminded attitude about belief and religion themselves. People were sincerely sharing on topic thoughts in here but then others come in and make the same old generalisations again and put it like everyone who's part of religion has fallen for a sham and put it like they're all close/narrowminded. While fact of the matter is THEY are always coming from a narrowminded perspective on either God or religious people And always with that convicting attitude. This is of course what I am criticizing. Not other people's beliefs. When we read back we can see who in fact find that criticism unbearable and react dubious to it

Fact of the matter also is that people as Irmi and I posted on topic thoughts and I get projected onto me that I post in here with leftover baggage from other threads, while anyone with a brain can detect I was reacting to people as Rjhangover and FierceFlower.
Who didn't share on topic thoughts on how people find religion, but jumped right in here to support someone only because they sympathize with their side?: right

People, if with a thread topic like this, which could create such an interesting thread with sincere thoughts on the exact topic, you can only think about those who were traditionally 'indoctrinated' or joined a religion for comfort reasons do you realize you are maybe the one with a narrowminded focuspoint on these matters? Even if we disagree about that why be so quick to call others closeminded or a coward. Even it it is supposed to trigger people in a response we should all be able to conclude it is not working. In fact it is causing drama and causes people to stop participating.

She did read the reactions until that point and then she made clear she would stop with it. Everybody can do this all the time. Projecting things onto people because of it is shameful and pointless on itself.

Lose the attitude if you can and you might be suprised what people would like to share.

I really still think I make a very valid point here. Maybe you should give it a second thought

I explicitly went out of my way to explain that is not the case at all. Not sure why you read past that:

So no, once again (I only have to repeat myself because you seem to think in the same loops again, and ignore what I actually said). I applaud critical thinking just as much as the next person. I will confront people though when they put it as if critical thinking is reserved for a-religious or atheist people only. I think it is a shame every thread about god, religion and religious people gets these false stereotypes.
As you do not have anything sensible to say on the actual topic so far but just are in here to sympathize with fellow atheists maybe you can see where I was coming from Hope I clarified anyway.

 

This post is full of stereotypical generalisations that are not really about people finding religion at all. What it points out is that most people that don't see the point of, or have lost or dislike religion mainly take notice of the negative aspects. I'm pretty sure we can do better than this in regards to the thread topic. After all, isn't it always about those people where it comes to atheists on here talking about religion/religious followers. Are those the only people that find religion or something? Are those even the most sincere believers? Aren't we talking mainly about the people here who were part of religion out of cultural tradition and those who abuse religion for their own purposes
I agree with certain things in this post, sure. But it is just about your opinion on religion as a whole. Not about how people find religion.
Also, it is fair to point out that all religious followers are primarily individuals too so to say 'the muslims are doing this' and 'the jews are doing that' comes across kind of unnuanced. Where you conclude with things like anyone that buys into any of those religions is not seeking the truth is a false oversimplification. I agree God is positive and the creating force and that God and religion are different things, I disagree that religion is evil by default and that anyone who is part of a religion is basically a gullible idiot.

They don't have the exact same origin or function but in history, and also still in current societies of course, they certainly have intertwined. And if we look at history and society it is fair to assume this has at times also caused people to 'find religion' and vice versa: people with a certain religious affiliation might let that influence their political choice. I think that might even be more often the situation and also the reason people focus upon that kind of religious people. After all they have an impact on their society. Does this mean we should always focus on these people in threads like these? God, no. There are also people who find religion in the most sincere meaning of the word and because they feel a spiritual connection to a religion.

 

Tell us more about 'God' Asmo. In the name of intellectual courage, integrity, personal interest, and laughter too. :-D What do you mean by "the creating force"?

 

Sure, I am willing to share more about my thoughts/beliefs on 'God'. But first I am wondering, why in the name of laughter, friend? Serious question!

 

Seriously?! You know why! Anyone who has ever laughed knows why! It is pleasurable to laugh. :-D Do not baulk at the idea your words might occasion my mirth at your expense. Know that if I mock you unduly, I mock myself.

I asked you a while ago if there was anything you could possibly mean by the word god that couldn't be better articulated as the thing you meant by it and you said you'd get back to me.

Now could be that time!

 

not really.
You seem to be forgetting that it was Spanish Catholics that decimated South America and Mexico, not New World Christians.

you can't have creative forces without destructive forces.
Positive and negative are complimentary and you can't have one without the other.

such an anthropomorphic and myopic viewpoint.

 

Wow, I thought Central and South America was part of the New World! And I thought Catholics were Christians too! Learn something every day, huh.

Silly me, I also thought positive and negative were opposites. So have you convinced God that he needs the devil?

 

Most people don't "find" religion, they're born into it.

 

Uhmmm, you are the one who made a distinction between "Catholics" and "New World Christians", I simply followed along the same lines of distinction you laid out.
The Catholic Spaniards were not "New World" Christians in the same sense as the Christians who settled in N. America as they just plundered the civilization/land for as much $$$$ as possible and then left the land for whomever was left still alive.
The Spanish influence in South America and Mexico is much more due to soldiers deserting and being left behind much more so than it being an immigration destination in the same way as North America.


Positive and negative are quite literally opposites of the same thing, item, concept, philosophy, etc. and not mutually exclusive but interdependent because you can not have a "positive" anything without it's "negative" counterpart.
It really is a fairly simple thing to understand, don't know why you're struggling with it.