How do you know God is real?

You have no idea where your own beliefs originated from. Constantine had more to do with the bible's origins than "Jesus" ever did. That shit sad how y'all are taught to not question and just believe what you're told. That's because the people who originated your religion knew the only way to keep y'all obedient was to keep you ignorant to Truth.

You don't even realize the difference between actually following someone and simply doing something that has already been done. There is no dictionary that will consider the latter as the definition of being a follower. Then again, I'm not surprised someone who gets their most valued beliefs from a book and religion started by someone else decided to take yet another book and twist the words in it to suit his argument.

You're not even aware of the fact it is impossible to FOLLOW someone unless you are actually imitating them but according to you it's following to simply do something just because it's been done at some point in our Universe's 14 billion year history.

Yea, I'd definitely say you're an idiot.

 

I know exactly where my beliefs come from. You don't even know what my beliefs are, let alone know where they come from.

I believe that a person should constantly question what they believe.

If your posts are any indication of what you believe the truth to be, I'm not sure you would even know what it looks like even if you found it.

All I did was quote the dictionary twice and then agree with the dictionary quote that you quoted and you say I'm twisting what it says. It seems you're the one who is having trouble with what books say.

Pardon me but were you raised in a cave? Following does not have to involve imitation, the word follow has many definitions and please note below that there are ways to follow with out imitation.

• Main Entry: 1fol·low
• Pronunciation: \ˈfä-(ˌ)lō\
• Function: verb
• Etymology: Middle English folwen, from Old English folgian; akin to Old High German folgēn to follow
• Date: before 12th century

transitive verb
1 : to go, proceed, or come after <followed the guide>
2 a : to engage in as a calling or way of life : pursue <wheat-growing is generally followed here> b : to walk or proceed along <follow a path>
3 a : to be or act in accordance with <follow directions> b : to accept as authority : obey <followed his conscience>
4 a : to pursue in an effort to overtake b : to seek to attain <follow knowledge>
5 : to come into existence or take place as a result or consequence of <disaster followed the blunder>
6 a : to come or take place after in time, sequence, or order b : to cause to be followed <followed dinner with a liqueur>
7 : to copy after : imitate
8 a : to watch steadily <followed the flight of the ball> b : to keep the mind on <follow a speech> c : to attend closely to : keep abreast of <followed his career with interest> d : to understand the sense or logic of (as a line of thought)

intransitive verb
1 : to go or come after a person or thing in place, time, or sequence
2 : to result or occur as a consequence, effect, or inference
— as follows : as comes next —used impersonally
— follow one's nose 1 : to go in a straight or obvious course
2 : to proceed without plan or reflection : obey one's instincts
— follow suit 1 : to play a card of the same suit as the card led
2 : to follow an example set
synonyms follow, succeed, ensue, supervene mean to come after something or someone. follow may apply to a coming after in time, position, or logical sequence <speeches followed the dinner>. succeed implies a coming after immediately in a sequence determined by natural order, inheritance, election, or laws of rank <she succeeded her father as head of the business>. ensue commonly suggests a logical consequence or naturally expected development <after the talk a general discussion ensued>. supervene suggests the following or beginning of something unforeseen or unpredictable <unable to continue because of supervening circumstances>.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/follow

Once again a post that shows you no clue what you're talking about, so I have to say when someone like you calls me an idiot, I have to consider it a complement. Thanks!

 

LMAO @ trying to come at me on a scholastic level, especially with something as petty as a dictionary definition. You're seriously out of your league. Just out of curiosity, how many degrees did you obtain?

In not one of those definitions did it say that a person is a follower to do something simply because it has already been done.

And even if it did (which it doesn't), that doesn't change the fact that I called you a follower because you didn't come to your own conclusions, not because you're practicing a faith that has already been practiced by others.

If you found God through the bible or Christianity, you found God outside of yourself.

Which means you didn't find God.

You can believe what you wanna believe, but I personally believe shit. I know what I know. You only believe when you aren't sure.

 

The absolute complexity of nature and that something sentient had to have had a hand in helping it progress (god, aliens, whatever)

 

Yea, someone would truly have to be a complete fool to think the sheer perfection of our Universe and its mechanics is merely an accident.

 

Petty as a dictionary definition? I'm sorry I didn't know you just wanted to make it up as you went along.

I guess you missed this: 1 : to go or come after a person or thing in place, time, or sequence

And how did you come by this conclusion seeing as you really have no idea what I believe?

And the proof for this is?

And the proof for this is?

"I personally believe shit." This is probably the first thing you've said that is true.

 

Everything I speak is Truth.

I'm known for that in real life and have been since I was a child.

You're just another old man with a bible.

But I can see by your other responses that you may lack the intelligence for me to continue this. And I haven't said that to anyone else since I've been on this board.

For one, you don't recognize how that exact definition you quoted still says absolutely nothing about being a follower simply because they're doing something that has already been done. How can you follow something you aren't aware of?

2, you don't even realize I'm not arguing the definition of the word follower nearly as strongly as I'm arguing the context in which I used it in.

And just the fact you are trying to imply I don't know what the word means when you yourself posted numerous definitions of the word, a few of which stated the same definition I gave...

Yea, like I asked before:

How many degrees did you obtain?

 

:smilielol5: Sorry it took me so long to realize you are just joking.

 

I'm not joking, you really are a moron.

Let me guess, that's a compliment huh, moron?

 

Where to begin? You're all so full of shit and wisdom it's hard to separate it all out. Just a few comments: About those black African popes. African, yes, but if those dudes were black somebody ought to tell the illustrators of those encyclopedias. That first guy was a Berber. I spent a month recently living among Berbers in the Sahara, and they aren't black. Physically, they're much more similar to Arabs and Mediterranean people. There are blacks in north Africa who were brought in as slaves or followed the caravan routes north as traders. I saw those, too.

Yes, Christianity was initially spread by Jews. The earliest followers of Jesus were led in Jerusalem by James, Jesus brother, and by Cephas (Saint Peter), both Jews, who were among Jesus' earliest disciples. These Jewish Christians thought of themselves as Jews and Jesus as the Jewish Messiah. They divided into two sects, the Nazarenes and the Ebionites Saint Paul, also a Jew but a Roman citizen, spread the religion to the Greco-Roman world, gaining most of his early followers from wannabe Jews, Gentiles who attended the synagogues but didn't adhere to the more stringent requirements of the Law of Moses, such as circumcision and dietary laws. Paul's willingness to relax these requirements greatly expanded the number of converts, but put him at odds with the Nazarene/Ebionite Jews. After the destruction of the temple by the Romans in 70 A.D., relations between Orthodox Jews and all Christians became increasingly tense, as the Orthodox Jews decided to expel the Christian Jews from their ranks. As for "amen", despite a superficial resemblance to the name of the Egyptian high god Amon ra or Amun, I don't think there's a convicning case that the Hebrew word "amen" was derived from that source. And I can't relate to the leader-follower discussion at all. It just seems petty as hell.

 

From you? Yes it is. If not excepting your ignorance as "truth" makes me a moron in your eyes, then, Yes it is a compliment.

 

You don't have to accept anything I say as Truth.

But you don't have any Truth of your own other than the random inspirational quotes sprinkled throughout the bible. The quotes that say do right by your fellow man and all the other shit that is common knowledge to everyone else with or without a religion.

And since you want to rush to the dictionary so much, perhaps you should look up the difference between the words "accept" and "except".

I see why you avoided that degree question.

Like I said, you step WAY out of your league when you come at me on any kind of scholastic level.

 

It is.

I said I don't respect followers as in people who automatically take other peoples/books word as Truth without researching it for themselves.

This nigga turned that into some dictionary shit.

 

But who's to judge that they took it automatical anyway? You? Just because it is commonly known the word of the bible is supposed to be followed doesn't mean all people who believe in Jesus Christ didn't automatically accept it as the truth. This shows already in all the different interpretations by believers on different biblical matters.

Also, you are aware proof is not the most important thing in religion right? I mean, proof is great but you're not a retard if you just have faith. It does not matter if God really made the earth in 7 days or Noah did actually had all the animals in the world on his boat. It's also very obvious christianity is influenced and certain issues of it are based on pagan beliefs. So what?

 

I don't.

Once again, you continue to make assumptions about what I believe with with any idea what I believe.

I have many times but still get it wrong from time to time. Sorry if it offended you.

I avoided it because it's a meaningless question and other than bragging rights, has no bearing on a discussion, because a degree does not make what a person says right or wrong or even intelligent. An "intelligent" person like yourself should know that.

Oooh, I'm so scared.

 

I was just pointing out, that you seem to do it all the time and so must not respect yourself. For example that "Amen thing", tell me you researched that.

And it is a shame that with all your "education" you never learned to express yourself with out profanity.

 

I aint making any assumptions.

You admitted you believe the Bible and its stories are true and you've admitted to being Christian. Apparently you should look up the word assumption also.

I use profanity because in my 27 years on Earth, not one person who said I shouldn't use it could tell me intelligently why I shouldn't. It always boils down to "you shouldn't say it because someone else said you shouldn't say it". Once again, we don't see eye to eye on anything because you're a follower and I don't relate to those.

You avoided that degree question because you don't have one, let's be serious now. And that doesn't make you any less intelligent but it does disqualify you from trying to come at me on any scholastic level.

I didn't bring up this stupid ass argument. I called you a follower and you went on a rampage about what the word means.

And yes I have researched the word "amen", have you researched the story of Christ outside of the bible?

Better yet, did you do any research on any story in the bible or did you simply read it and believe it?

 

I assumed you you were making assumptions because at least half of what you say I believe, I don't believe.

You shouldn't use it because it's offensive and demeaning to others and it detracts from what you are trying to say and makes you seem illiterate.

At least I thoughtfully chose who and what I want to follow, You on the other hand are a follower and don't even know who or what you are following, let alone doing so thoughtfully.

I avoided it for the exact reasons I said I avoided it and as for coming at you on a scholastic level, I have yet to see you display any kind of a scholastic level for me to even come at.

No rampage, I merely pointed out the definition, and you've been going on about it ever since.

Yeah right, this is what cited as proof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun_Ra and no where in it is there a connection between Amun_Ra and the word Amen used by Christians but if you had bothered to even go so far as to look up Amen, here you go I'll make i easy for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen perhaps you'll notice that it doesn't say anything about it coming from Amun_Ra, but plainly states it comes from the Hebrew word אָמֵן amen as I plainly stated several times before. I don't see how someone with so many degrees and coming from a "scholastic level" could be so obviously wrong. It's seems like you you haven't been doing your research.

Yes I have researched the Bible have you? You tried to say Jesus was born on the Dec 25 whereas almost any encyclopedia will tell he wasn't. That's some pretty simple research that you failed to do.

 

I don't get my information from wikipedia, that just happens to be one of the first things that pops up when you do a google search. And I did the search to provide it for this thread. Once I saw "amen" listed as another way of saying "amun" in the very first paragraph I figured it was legit. Something tells me you didn't even read the article because as I've stated, it had "amen" listed as one of the words that came from "amun" in the very first paragraph, and I didn't even have to check it again to know that.

And LMAO @ me being a follower.

I see you back to that I know you are but what am I shit.

 

The secret behind Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity.

Jesus - son of man

The Christ - son of god

The Christ is the only true reflection of god's (god the father's) intelligence within creation. This is the true only begotten son of god, it is gods reflection hidden within every particle of creation. Jesus reached this omnipresent state of consciousness through the eastern traditions of meditation and yoga. The lost years of Jesus were India studying with different enlightened masters. This Christ consciousness is the true savior. What jesus was trying to say is we could all reach this state ourselves and needed to do so to truly be saved. Love and meditation on god will achieve this.

Now the trinity.

God Is One, and when he starts creation he manifests into the trinity. This trinity still works as one though.

God The Father - This is god's true state, the transcendental state of love and bliss and cosmic superconsciousness beyond space and time.

The Son - This is the Christ that I explained above. The intelligence hidden within all creation. God's reflection in material existence.

The Holy Spirit - This is what the Hindus call AUM or Om. This is the great vibration that creates, preserves, and ends creation. It is what all matter is made out of. What is known as the divine feminine power. The great goddess. Through meditation on the holy sound one will be set free from worldly attachments. Also known as the word or amen.

To learn more read Paramahansa Yogananda's, the The Second Coming.