How does a man distinguish himself as a man?

ok, i admit it, i'm a "white zone" supremacist, but everyone's welcome!


what good is an ignore-list if you're gonna keep sending me quotes?

 

i must ask, though. what is the white zone. is that white as in "blend of all colors in the light spectrum?" like a white flag of peace. what is the derivation?

 

frank zappa

joe's garage


the cen-tral scaaaa-ruuuuu-ti-nizer :X

 

zappa!! that explains my complete inability to understand. i'll have to ask my husband, just like i do anytime some godfather reference comes up.

 

better put the kids to bed before you listen to it

 

that's the one with "why does it hurt when i pee" right? "titties and beer," too, i think. i did like "watermelon in easter grass." does that make me one of those wankers, like someone saying to a rush fan "i really like tom sawyer."

 

oh, no no no, the only thing you ever heard off "J's G" in public was the title cut "joe's garage."

the rest is a totally x-rated rip on the recording industry.

that other stuff you mentioned is good shit too, tho :sunglasse

 

ah, people can only hurt us if we let them. that's a very convenient philosophy. and while i really like you, because i've seen you be very kind, loyal and occaisionally insightful, you are still rude, contentious and overly in love with your black and white philosophy. every discussion is a fight with you. maybe it's your age, i don't really know. but not every discussion can be won. you say to me that you consider everyone equal, but your nastiness to me over these past few days since i somehow drew your scrutiny tells me an entirely different story. you can't use the language with people that you've been using against me and hope to truly consider yourself enlightened or enlightening. just because you think you can take criticism constructively doesn't mean you can throw it around unilaterally. one of these days, you're really gonna hurt someone and you'll realize that your truth is not the whole truth. if it pleases you, i raise the white flag.

 

and honestly, what's your beef with advancements? a personal advancement doesn't mean "advancement over the oppressed, unevolved people." it's a personal step forward. some changes aren't gradual. some are very defined. you might not have such an experience in your life yet, but you likely will.

 

i've been wandering around here, getting to "know" peeps, anyone who feels the need to start a reply with "you moron" isn't worth the read. my feelings can't be hurt by the text on my monitor, i'd like to think most people get there sooner than later.

i've interacted with thousands of cyber-peeps, & i've "moderated" my share of "good" and "bad." i've learned how to be a "mirror" & i've also learned that rude people don't always like what they see in it.

as a user i have my own user control panel to keep the garbage i'm looking at to a minimum. you want me to hear what you're saying? then don't start with an insult.

 

now, back to topic...i'm really intrigued by a woman starting this thread, mynameiskc.


tell me, is it the wife or the mother who's concerned?

 

i see myself in you. we're more alike than you know. everything you said there...it's so me. it makes me uncomfortable. but to be truthful, have you never liked someone and been hurt when they say awful things to you? i love a discussion/debate as much as the next argumentative ass (which i am), but i've learned that you learn more and get more out of it when you don't go out of your way to belittle someone.

 

wife, mother, sister, lover, friend. i think the meanest people in the world are the ones who never got a "well done! you're becoming a great man/woman." or just becoming at all. they deserve some sort of sign that they're going the right way. be it from someone else or just themselves.

 

yes!! all lil' people should be affirmed every day, so they'll know how to self-affirm later.

you're just too cool, you hippy-gal

 

not a better person, a permanently different person. but that's beside the point. women DO have that particular rite, it's unstoppable, unending and undeniable. when girls reach that point, they are, physically, a woman. their mothers see them as a woman in the making and begin to teach them the necessities of being a woman. it is a signpost, a turning point. it's the point at which a girl stops playing with barbies and never goes back. but what do boys have? the rites for women are hashed, rehashed and beaten to death. we have the unisex rite of graduation. but what individual point in time does a man look at his son and see a man in the making instead of a little boy? it does no one any favors to deny that men and women are different on a fundamentally physical level. we round each other out. one cannot exist without the other. but we've moved into this glorification of womanhood and denial or mockery of what it is to be a man. not every change is gradual. in everyone's life there will be at least one point in time they look back and see the end of one version of themselves and the beginning of another.

 

Men should all be out looking for employment. Especially young males. Get a job! That's one the best ways to distinguish yourself.

 

and maybe you're right, and i'm over-sentimentalizing the process. but i know the day my husband cut just as much wood as his granpa, he felt bigger than life. the day he could work as hard as his dad, the first time his dad gave him a beer. he had SOMETHING. he had a moment in time when he revelled in his physical strength. he shared a moment with the male figures in his life. what is it we're to give our boys to make them feel good to be who they are, male?

 

this thread has been filled with all kinds of generalizations. I don't have time to mess with the meaning of mean. But I'll relate this, if someone came and lived on my property and used my phone to deal drugs or did meth and I found out about it, which would be real easy since I used to do it, I don't give a shit if they moved here from Amsterdam, they'd be giving their packing orders. I've been given a lot of well dones in my life from extremely efficient, expert, and pushin to get the job done when the pay was minimum wage. I've met a handful of people outta hundreds I worked with that did the same without the boss watching, maybe just one. Now, how mean do you think I am having zero tolerance on getting lined out on my property even though I been through the scene? I'm fucking viscious about it. But I bet if all the people on this thread came together here and smoked a bowl and chatted WE WOULD HAVE A BLAST!!!! EVEN JESTER............NO FRICKIN DOUBT WHATSOEVER! So y'all give each other some cyber hugs or I'll bang ur cyber heads together...........hehehehe..snort.....hehehehe

 

I know you don't mean to surrender this to a series of posts filled with philosophical babbling, but i can't help wonder why you would think one who is a "man" needs to establish his "manhood" and what is the definition of this "manhood" anyway.

if you mean manhood to be something like declaring oneself as a "man".
then, He is born a man, therefore when one sees him, he/she knows that the one in his view is a "man" because of physical characteristics.

Second if you mean he has to be driven by the notions of bravery and his will to prove to others of his strength and courage then he can just join the army.

For me, I do not believe in "manhood" because seriously it is a waste of time to dwell on such things, we all have a very limited time on this planet ~80-90-100 yrs... I don't think wasting time on more than a series of posts against "manhood" in hipforums is necessary for a man in his limited timespan .

 

lol. i don't call that MEAN. i call that taking care of your business. i think mean is someone going out of their way to harm people. beating up someone who is smaller than you just because you can. and you're right, i think jester and i could get along, actually, if he got over my inferiority.