How exactly will Gay Marriage harm Marriage as an Institution?

Bacchus, THANK YOU!

This is exactly what I mean. You can find me absolutely repulsive, I don't have a problem with that. Just treat me fairly...

Imagine if we proposed a constitutional ammendment against latino marriage. This debate is equally as absurd.

 

I agree, but the state still saves money when it allows same-sex insurance benefits. Otherwise, the state foots a large portion of the unpaid bills at the hospitals.

 

So do you think the discrimination is purely religious ideology?

 

I am not sure, though, how I am helping to ruin the "idea of man," or even what said idea is. I would like to hear more about this. I promise I will not be offended, you would have to try VERY hard.

 

Huck answered my question.

He gave his position and reasons.

Then he backed it up w/statistics and examples.

He showed what happened to a country that DID allow same sex marriage.

Anyone on the fence would say he won...


How can it not be a debate, it is an issue that homosexuals have to face TODAY.

Your not going to convince the state of Ohio for example by using guilt and taking offense.

What's need is a counter-attack against discrimation of this kind and unless people hear one we'll have a new national amendment.

A debate is exactly what's needed.

 

I think it is largely rooted in religion, and the ignorance that sometimes comes along with it. I think it is also irrational fear, fear that I am a child molester, fear that I am spreading AIDS, fear that I will "recruit" your children, etc. There is also financial reasons for discrimination, as I stated with large corporations. In this instance, I don't think money is a huge factor.

 

Queer Eye For the Straight Guy


I'm expected to be fashionable and sensitive and to dance. And I hate all that stuff.

 

So lets cry about.

Or

Lets appeal to peoples reason and show them what REALLY going on.

Not just protesting and crying foul but action that an average middle class (and lower class) famliy will understand and can grow on.

 

I think this could be addressed by requiring employers to allow employees to purchase coverage for anyone in living in their household.

You read the entire Marco piece?

You have equal protection. You're free to marry anyone of the opposite sex that's not a close blood relative. If you want to enter into a private "partnership" with someone of the same sex, you're free to do so. You're not free to force the rest of society to obliterate the complementary male-female union from the historic definition of marriage.

I have offered plenty of evidence, which has been snidely dismissed.

 

Bacchus how can you say you aren't fashion concious



anyway, plenty of gay men would tell you that they find that show stereotypical and detrimentasl to their image in mainstream culture.

and shane, i think you are worng about who "won" the debate.....the christian religion does not belong in government, whether it is trying to force its way in there or not.

Quote: You're not free to force the rest of society to obliterate the complementary male-female union from the historic definition of marriage

Tell me in your own words why allowing a union between same sex partners threatens the historic definition of marriage.....

the history of marriage isn't even that positve, what is there to threaten really?like i said before, if your marriage can be ruined because 5 miles away two men share a partnership, then your marriage isn't worth anything at all anyways.

 

Okay, fair enough. What I meant is I don't understand what the debate is. How can one reasonably oppose gay marraige. The articles presented, while informative, did not address why I am not and should not be granted the same rights as heterosexuals. They did address what happened after gay marraige in another country, but I am not interested in debating the effects of gay marraige in Denmark. I want to now why I am not treated as an equal citizen. Is there a good reason? Please let me know if there is. I can't debate, because I do not understand what the opposing argument is. I have not been offended, by the way, and it is unlikely that I will be.

 

and you know why Ohio cant be convinced??? No matter what?

Because all the gay people live in Cleveland and if it were up to the rest of Ohio, Cleveland would be bombed and leveled. Because the rest of ohio needs a place to store all it's cow manure.

Taft can kiss my ass.He's a bigot and a racist and the worst thing to ever happen to Ohio. I cant believe he keeps getting elected. Oh wait...90% of Ohio is filled Klan hicks.

That's a little known secret.

 

The thread is, "How exactly will Gay Marriage harm Marriage as an Institution." I am going to reread the thread and the articles, but unless I missed something I haven't seen clear evidence that suggests it will or does. I have only seen correlation...NOT causation.
I have to go to class now, I will post more later.
BTY, Bacchus, I agree with you about Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

 

I live between cleveland and cincinnati and i would defintely prefer cincinnati was levelled....i hate that place



Ohio is filled with morons but I'd be optimistic and say its closer to 70%, can't say i really like it here, although there are some cool and enlightened people.

BTW we have many more gays here is columbus than you have in cleveland.

 

You won't find one child molester who idetifies himself as gay.

AIDS doesn't descriminate.

I'm suure all gay men would want kids to have to grow up with the stigma of being gay in a hetero society.


A true story.

The other day I was at Goodwill shopping, and the place is full of kids. One in particular comes up to his mother and says, "Mommy, what's this?" The mother, without looking, tells him she is busy looking at clothes and to go play somewhere else. And a dozen other examples of similar neglect among all the parents there.

Then a guy walks in, in drag, (I know not gay, but bear with me), he's got a little boy with him, and teh little boy tells him, "We're at Goodwill daddy", The dad says, "That's right! How did you know?" , "I read it on the sign out front!", The boy replies proudly. "Very good work!" the dad tells him, "Tell me what else the signs here say."

My point being, of all the parents in the store, this "drag queen" was EASILY the most attentive and encouraging parent in the entire store, in fact the best example of parenthood I saw in public the entire week.

 

From what I can gather, the arguement from the Right seems to be that allowing homosexuals to marry futher undermines the legiticy of the nuclear family (man, wife, child ). As they consider the nuclear family to be the building block of society to accept same-sex marriages will lead to futher destruction of an already unstable family life in the United States.

I don't agree w/this position, but the majority of americans do...

 

This is FALSE! A few quick examples, the Equal Housing Act does not include homosexuality, in Virginia, a "Right to Work" state, Equal Employment does not protect homosexuals, next of kin rights do not apply to homosexuals (even WITH a signed contract), social security survivor benefits are denied to same sex unions.

Wouldn't I be doing more harm to marriage if I were to marry a lesbian, just for the legal protection & rights?

Be back later...

 

quote: but the majority of americans do...


if the president said it was ok to kill jews, the majority of americans would start building concentration camps in their neighborhood.....the average american shouldn't really have a say in the leadership of this country, I hate the *stereotypical* american.

 

The majority of Americans are fucking idiots.

 

Correct, but we have to convince those idiots to let gays marry...