How will you know?

to be fair, i admit that i have never read a single word that jesus said

i have read the words put in his mouth by people claiming to represent him

that said, taken at face value

why choose the message, screw my neighbors, i'm flying to heaven, they can suffer forever

over the messages of love and tolerance?

 

Wasn't this forum a place where Christians wouldn't be persecuted by those who don't believe? Just by not following simple rules you already prove that you cannot abide by the laws of respect.

If you have god in your heart, and have told jesus that you admit to being a sinner and take up his offer of forgiveness, then you will silently know when he will come to save you.

Christianity is not a religion, it is a connection to god through Jesus Christ. Only if you believe, will you see your prayers answered. Those people who use the lords words for purposes that are sinful are not true believers.

If you believe and have faith in God the Creator, and Son of God, then you will know when he arrives to save us. You cannot criticize Jesus Christ unless you have read what he has said through the bible.

And to those who think the bible is fake and has been written by bigots and such, has obviously never read it. Dare to read?

 

No sac, you won't know when. He will come like thief in the night. May I say that while I commend you on your faith, I would suggest that you round out your knowledge a bit. It is very natural for non-christians to look at the Bible in an entirely different way than you do. Of course they will find alternative explanations as to how the Bible came to be, instead of it being inspired by God. There is nothing wrong with considering the other team's argument and looking at the facts they can provide to support their claims. A lot of people become disenchanted with christians because they are so confident in their faith that they can come across as arrogant. When you factor in that many christians only know Bible versus and nothing about history or science even in the context of a religious based discussion they end up looking like robots programmed with only biblical dogma. Toss in bit of old fashioned christian "Im better than you cuz I'm saved" attitude and people can get down right disgusted.

The bible tells us to gain wisdom above all else, there is no reason why the faithful can't also be knowledgeable. Wisdom is crying out to you in the streets. I think it is okay to know why science suggests that a global flood did not happen and to still have faith that it did. I can't be mad at people that have never had an experience with God and therefore proceed through life using common sense in place of faith.

 

Do you believe in god or the teachings of jesus, mothman?

 

Just for the record, I don't attend church, (although I was baptized many years ago); however, I Do know the bible, and I have read it, which you say you have not. I have faith, but Not in organized religion - that is humorous.
I have not a problem in this world with homosexuals - my brother is gay and married to his man - that is not for me to judge. I love them both.
I pose this question - rather than be concerned about Jesus walking this earth again (which I don't think will happen while "everybody" is here) - what about be concerned how we treat our fellow man as we may be entertaining angels unaware. (That is also in the good book.)

 

That ^ AndreSac, was just beautiful and wanted to quote it, so that those wonderful words could be seen and read again. (hopefully)

 

Yes.I believe Jesus is God. If it was not apparent from my words to wica then please read them again, but this time add sarcasm and you should see which side of the fence I am sitting on.

 

oh i have read the bible, the words of apostles [or whomever wrote those 4 books] claiming he said this, he said that

i do not know what he said as he wrote not a thing

however, that is not important

what i am really trying to understand is the desire for the end of the world and the destruction of those considered 'unsaved', whether they be good or bad people

as opposed to 'love thy neighbor'

i would also think that learning to deal with the world as it is might be a healthier thing than wishing for it to end

personally, no matter who wrote the gospels and how much of it is actually the thought of jesus, it is far better stuff than everything before it and after it, and should really stand alone

 

^Now who is picking and choosing?

 

"I see", says the blind man.

 

I think when jesus said he'll return he was talking not as jesus 'the individual' but as 'christ' ... the way, the truth, and the light ...and the life. Attaining christ conciousness means you are no longer 'an individual' because you see that the life that you are is the same life that lives in every living thing, ...THAT is what will return; the life and spirit that lies deep within you that is the essence of you. You ARE the christ but you just don't know it ... the christ is within you, it IS you ... hidden behind the mind made veil of who you think you are. So the christ returns, emerges from within again and again to take you home to your true self.
Christ is already here if you'll listen to the true message of what Jesus taught.

 

liquidlight, i always like your posts

but they do not seem to reflect the jonestownesque thoughts of the dispensationalists

which is what i am curious about

funny that they, as christians, should seem to NOT want a bible with only the doings and sayings of jesus

rather that they should also be paulish, johnish, and jewish

 

Sure, i never heard of jonestown or dispensionalists, but yes, i tend to disregard mutch ... or pretty mutch all of the bible and stick to the message jesus was trying to convey. I don't actually even call myself, or label myself a christian but being a believer in the christ and the teachings of jesus i guess perhaps 'chrisian mystisism' is more my thing.

 

Liquidlight, I can appreciate your perspective on Christ's return. Truth be told I gave a bit of thought to what Wica was saying as well and while I don't think the rest of the bible should be omitted I do think that Wica is striking the nail on the head by implying that perhaps christians do not follow our ultimate role model as closely as we should and we don't always walk in love, in a manner that would cause us to be light upon a hilltop. I offer my apologies to wica, if I was a bit short sighted in our conversation.

 

If you cannot see the wickedness in mankind and its society, and cannot see the balance's of life and history, then you obviously cannot understand what the lord means in his words.

Never reject the old so that the new may prosper, if you do, then the new will only collapse faster than it was built.

Every civilization has a rise and a fall. If this new upcoming civilization rises too fast, then it will surely crash just as fast. It's the reason why the new world order will never work.

Maybe in the next age, mankind could finally learn how to perfect civilization. But until then, brace yourself for all hell may break loose.

All dogs go to heaven.

 

^^Are you Sure you are just 16? I must add - quite wise words...Out of the mouth of babes...

 

i have a good "vibes sensorys system" installed in my brain. i think id know because jesus would be flashing with beautiful vibes and glows. light would be shining from his eyes and behind his smile i could see kindness. in the bible it states we will know true christians by their fruits. i think we'd notice him to be a gentlemen and a true activist for inhumane treatment. he wouldnt be unkind..
id feel safe around him
id feel certain he wouldnt ever say an unkind word about me.

but maybe i wouldnt know.
what if god was one of us?
we should treat everyone like they are important.

 

Jesus will not come back and walk among us, because to do that he would have to take back his sacrifice. But his “return” has already happened.

Just the fulfillment of the signs he said would take place.

The Bible says that when he would begin his “return” it would be in the midst of his enemies and the end of this “return” would culminate in Armageddon.

As for the “Rapture”, what the Bible is talking about is something quite different.

As I said before all you are going to get are the signs that were prophesied.

Sorry, the time for such things is past. Jesus is now a ruling king and will not be coming to earth to entertain us.

As I have already said; Jesus has all ready “returned”.

Let those with eyes see it.

As for how can you know?

By seeing that the signs that tell of it have already happened and are still happening.

 

According to the Bible; homosexuality is not a basic human right and thus Gay marriage is not a basic human right either.

 

i am so tired of hearing today's world talked about in terms of what people thought 2000 years ago

not to mention a bunch of stuff that is borrowed mythology

it didn't work then [the bible is a great book for reading about miscreant sex and violence] and it ain't working now