How will you know?

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  1. Mothman

    Mothman Senior Member

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    I disagree. We are given free will. All things are possible but not all are glorifying to God. I never found anywhere in the bible where it says to deny people basic human rights because of a certain type of sin, I think it is evil and cruel that we are supposedly a people that walk in love and have confessed that we too are sinners and deserve Hell and still we persecute homosexuality.

    This kind of thing is where I can see the brainwashing, christian machine at work, it is a perversion of what the Body of Christ was intended to be.
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I had to check and see if this was Sanctuary, where only Christians are suppose to be discussing Christianity.

    Okay, when did homosexuality become a basic human right?

    No matter how you twist the Scriptures, the Bible does not even imply that homosexuality is a human right, let alone a basic one.
     
  3. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    I think there needs to be a definition here. Homosexuality: are you speaking of the state of being homosexual or the act of homosexuality where two adults of the same sex partake in mutual sexual acts? They are vastly different.
     
  4. does2

    does2 Member

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    Yes they are, and depending on religion, sin, too.
     
  5. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    love your fellow man, you christians

    [love him up GOOD]

    and stop judging, sheesh . . .
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Homosexuality is where two adults of the same sex partake in mutual sexual acts? A homosexual is someone who practices or actively engages in homosexuality. Will that do?
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Sounds like you're confusing love with sex; they are not the same thing.

    As for judging, I'm merely pointing out what God says in the Bible.

    He's the one doing the judging.
     
  8. does2

    does2 Member

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    I said it once before, and I will say it again...
    I will know because I have a strong spiritual connection with my God.
     
  9. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    sounds like you are separating them

    we are arguing marriage, which is about love
     
  10. Mothman

    Mothman Senior Member

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    I am a christian. The Constitution dictates our rights not the Bible, the bible says that we must yield to the government and its laws, it's leaders and pay our taxes. Also we were ALL given free will, and homosexuality is just another sin and your flesh is no better than any homosexuals flesh. Who are we to stand against gay people being joined together and have the benefits of a married couple. Why do we care?

    Fight against calling it marriage, fight against God's name being used in the ceremony, that right is ours but to deny them the right to live comfortably because they are gay is not the job of the body of Christ.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    No, they should not be separated but because they are different things some people do separate them.

    Once again, love and marriage are two different things and marriage is not always about love.
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    The Constitution does not dictate our rights, the way it is written it acknowledges that regardless of what any government says we are born with certain rights which no government should take away.


    The Bible says we should obey the law as long as it doesn’t conflict with God’s Laws.

    Homosexuality is prohibited by the Bible and thus no matter what the government says, as Christians we are obligated to follow God’s laws on this matter.

    As for standing against gay marriage, I don’t. What ever gays want to do, they’re going to do and it’s not my job to stand in their way. But wa bluska wica said that when Jesus came back he would be for gay marriage and I merely was pointing out that Jesus who believed that the Bible was the word of God, would still not be for gay marriage.

    I think I already answered this but personally I don’t believe gay marriage can be called a “basic human right” and I’m not for changing the definition of marriage to include gays. But I really only commented because I wanted to say that Jesus would not be for gay marriage when he comes back.
     
  13. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    so

    if two people love each other, and wish to be LEGALLY wed, and have sex within that loving relationship, why would anyone fight that?

    is it better for them to have no legal rights as a couple, or for their sexuality to be expressed outside of wedlock?

    or should people not be allowed to express their true selves because someone a few thousand years ago thought it was icky, and either expressed it themselves, or claimed "god" did?
     
  14. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Do you consider yourself a Christian?
     
  15. Mothman

    Mothman Senior Member

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    Denying gay marriage is no one's right either.

    I see what your saying but I just feel that one's religion should not be a factor in weather or not gay marriage is legalized or not and that the biggest obstacle in the way of it being legalized is Christianity.

    I must agree that Jesus would not be for gay anything! At least not in any way that I can think of. I think he would want gays or any person for that matter to be treated humanely but I can't imagine him being involved in any kind of gay movement.
     
  16. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    i like a lot of the stuff that the man called jesus said

    i like a lot of stuff that a lot of people said

    i don't care much for labels

    i don't believe in infallibility
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Thanx, you didn't have to do that.

    Jesus believed in a God, would you say you believe in the same God?
     
  18. ShadyGrove

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    The second coming of Jesus has totally been misinterpreted. Are we to actually believe that an enlightened one will return in flesh and blood?

    I think not, my proposal is upon your own enlightenment is the second coming, the return of the light of the world into your life. There was only one Jesus Christ and I don't suspect he will come as body for even while he was embodied he didn't dwell in it as a body, "I am the light of the world", that's no metaphor.
     
  19. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    let's just say i am full of wonder and still open-minded about it all

    there are a lot of different positions about the nature of ultimate reality, all unproven until we die

    i am generally not in favor of any belief/deity that holds itself ahead of others, and as even the old testament implies, there are others

    btw if i ever were to for some reason become a christian, i would definitely be eastern orthodox as they have the best music:)

    EDIT - that was not meant as sarcasm, rather my interest in and preference for ritual
     
  20. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Do you believe there is a God or Gods?

    BTW that's a better reason than most people have for choosing a religion.
     

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