Huge Spy Trove Falls into Hamas' Hands!

Matt, if I'm a Zionist, then you... and the rest of the people who live in the US are all extremely patriotic Native American hating wankers.


By the way, the world would be a happier place, and the Middle East would be a safer place if all Ortodox jews (and Fundemental Muslims) were suddenly shipped off to the north pole.

 

So what do you base your zionist beliefs on then if you are against the Jewish religon and are an Athiest? You see, it's based on nationalistic supremecy.

 

It's based on nothing. I have never suppported building the state of Israel... I support its inevitable existence, and the fact that it ain't going anywhere. No one claims land Matt... look at history... land claims don't last long. This land does not "belong" to anyone. Israel is occupying it right now... give it some years, it will change hands again, and again, and again.

Hell, the bloody Mongols could be living on that land, and I would still support their existence... because they have nowhere else to go, they got the land through a diplomatic process (which is something you can't say for the US... your lovely country, which murdered thousands upon thousands for the land).

There is no nationalistic supremecy here... there is just LOGIC. Israel is staying Matt... maybe you should move to Iran... you and [size=-1]Ahmadinejad seem to agree on practically everything. [/size]

 

My sympathy is with the 1.5 million residents of Gaza.


These folks need peace stability and a better economy.

Instead, now they will reside in a forward base for the re-conquest of Israel.

The new overlords could give a damm who gets hit in any retalitory attack.
economic concerns will take a back seat to jihad and mayrterdom.

Jews have hardened cellars and shelters in Israel, they will withstand the initial round of Hamas rocket attacks. Not so in Gaza where the new overlords will publish photos of Arab civilian casualties as evidence of Jewish agression.

The admirable thing about Hamas is its honesty.

They want war on Israel and arent afraid to say so. Look who thier
big benefactors are ?

Where are those partners for peace ?

 

You do make a good point. The word "spies" confused me a bit. I'd say "Palestinian informants". Israel usually pays Palestinians for this information.

I don't think that the unmasking of the informants will be that big of a deal now that the entire Gaza strip is dramatically changing... plus, as already mentioned... Israel no longer has to use direct targeting.

 

This is one of the major problems. The Palestinian people have to realize that the Hamas doesn't care about their lives or their safety. Hell, they would rather have civilian deaths in order to publicize them, as you said.

The civilians of Lebanon made the same mistake. They supported the Hizbollah instead of rebelling against it, and they paid for it.

I am in no way justifying the way Israel approached the Lebanon war, or the way Israel will approach Gaza... but honestly... the people need more common sense.

 

If the Israeli Jews understood this about their own government, things woud not be as they are.

 

Every government in the world is corrupt, if it was up to me... all politicians would be sent to the north pole.

But, when you compare the services and protection that the Israeli government offers its citizens (bomb shelters, army, socialized education and healthcare, immense culture, pension plans, etc, etc, etc) to what the Hamas offers Palestinians (the change to die as a martyr for the name of Islam)... then there is an obvious "winner" to this.

 

The Hamas does not provide those services skip... the altruistic international aid does.

 

puts head in hands

walks away

 

Hamas has rebuilt communities and provided health care that the international community doesn't seem to think is important. When you view people as cattle like the rich elite do, you the run the risk of allowing those that do care to become more entrenched and powerful. When will Israel ever learn this lesson and teach it to their capitalist friends. But worrying about the little man might eat into the huge pay that those in power receive. Hey let's not limit them to one home in the Hamptons.

 

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968

 

They do provide these services themselves... with the aid money... that's what I meant.

Yet... honestly... the services provided by the Hamas cannot even be compared to the services provided by the Israeli government... plus, as you said... the Hamas and the Fataj are dominated by corruption. Yassir Arafat alone has stolen millions upon millions of aid money while he was alive.

 

With whose money?

 

The Hamas are just as corrupt as any other militant organization. They only use the money to serve their own purpose... hell, they even use their own civilians as human shields.

Why do you think that thousands of Palestinians are trying to run away from Gaza right as I type this.

Skip, google Israel... you might find that the government offers a whole lot to the people.

The Hamas does not provide humanitarian aid, the Hamas steals Humanitarian aid to suit their purpose of Jihad.

There is a history of Fatah corruption only because the Fatah has been the dominant political party for many years.

Israel "lost" the war with the Hizbollah because they were too influenced by international pressure to be "humane" and because they used extremely defective strategy against guerrilla warfare. The war did not encourage the arms race, the arms race has always been there.