i think alot of the views expressed here are about morality and mentality...your morlas depend on your mentality...and your peace of mind depends on your mentality...so whatver gives you greatest peace of mind when it comes to killing...go with that. so personally i dont believe in punishment..or retribution...hell etc...a wrathful god...and to be honist if your peace of mind is fine with killing an animal...then whos damaged? i doubt the animals peace of mind will have been hurt..is it not natrual that a man will kill an animal and eat him? i'm saying this becuase for example..if a guy killed a dog becuase he just happened to feel like it...theres no doubt that the guy would be feeling some inner turmoil..otherwise why would he feel the need to inflict his rage on to a vulnerable creature... so the guy killing that dog would be feeling pretty bad...angry i expect, and upset...i also expect he'd feel a tiny triumph followed by lingering embarssesment at his outburst once the rage had died down... if though a guy was hungry....he killed the animal he wanted to eat in a way that kept his mind peaceful...whos hurt there? its natrual to kill something if you want to eat it...and if your okay with doing that...then your okay...theres no rule that says...thats wrong..your going to get ten karma points... when i was very small...i wouldn't walk on grass if i could help it becuase i dind't want to kill any bugs i couldn't see...i remeber this attitude clearly and it was something very natrual to me. i do think that ultimately ...morals...are a way of creating peace of mind...and if you have peace of mind with nature enough to appriciate that if you want to eat meat..[and also have your peace of mind, depending on how you view peace of mind] you really need to kill the pig and roast it yourself...then thats nothing to be ashamed of....it's perfectly natrual and it could be said that the animals very life was desgined to feed the man. it could also be said that the mans life was designed to fertilise the soil...as he lay in his grave. it's not the only reason for the life...but it could be his ultimate destiny..who knows? some animals blatantly sport other animals...it's one of the hardest things to come to terms with as a kid...watching your lovely cat rip off mices heads and entrails...or the dog snarling over his bloody bone. If we are equipped with intelligence enough to see that life is fleeting we will want to live the most fuflilling way we can...and for most people, that means recognising the way the world feeds and sustains our life..that is why I think hunting animlas...in redcoats and specially bred animals..is misinformed, outdated and immature. i think amy said some really importnant stuff..i agree with her totally
(quote) that is why I think hunting animlas...in redcoats and specially bred animals..is misinformed, outdated and immature. (end quote) Fair enough. But you must surely accept that it's better personally to kill and eat an animal than to buy meat through the meat industry? Especially if that bought meat was factory farmed.
if you have peace of mind eating an animal...then whats the problem? its natrual to eat animals...but shoving them in a cage on hormones that make them the equivalent of a five year old weighing twenty stone.... if you want to kill an animal and eat it....theres no-one stopping you...it's part of life. if you have the courgae to do that and you want to and it doesn't harm your mind or inner peace then i don's see any problem there... i see problems in animal cruelty, disrespect and mistreatment....mainly...all of the meat in the shops comes from that way...tight cages...terible food, chemicals pumped into their viens, no light, major stress, if you're thinking enough about what you eat to actually go and kill the animal yourself your blimmin miles ahead the general population...
Depends on whether you'd call having a piece of hot lead come ripping through your stomach, smashing your rib cage bones into fragments which shoot up into your skin like miniature daggers, rupturing your lungs to labour your breath, and causing you to bleed profusely while you try your hardest to limp away cruelty. Not to mention the fact that 1 out of every 2 deer that gets shot or wounded in some way, manages to escape their shooter, to live in pain and agony for several days before they finally give up the ghost, or they're "lucky" enough to manage to survive the whole ordeal, and they live for weeks while their body struggles to repair the damage that was done, and they are only able to live with a handicap for the rest of their life. I don't know, I'd call it cruelty in the blink of an eye. Better for us to kill eachother than animals, because animals don't lie and cheat and kill in order to get more than what they need to survive. They're a lot more innocent than humans will ever be. That'd be interesting. =P Poseidon, lend us your trident! =D Hahaha! See above; it depends on what you call torture. Either way, I agree with you that we don't have the right to take others' lives, including that of animals. Would you extend that to me? If I wanted something killed but didn't want to do it myself, would you kill it for me? If so ... guess what, you're an obstacle of mine, so go kill yourself for me, will ya? =| Does it? My philosophy goes, existance precedes morality. That is, you have to live before you can worry about whether your are moral or not. Survival of the fittest takes ALL precedence, if you need to survive. You can be overly moral and choose NOT to survive, if it'll save lives, but it's not immoral if you do so. So when you have to survive, killing isn't immoral, simply because it's necessary for your own survival. But when you don't have to survive, it's immoral to kill. I'd see this situation as, the hunter, in hunting the other person, has already forfeited his right to life. By infringing on the right to life of others, he's implicitly seceeded his right to his own life. Therefore, if he fails to kill his prey, and his prey beats him (like in the movie, I guess), his life becomes property of the prey. And that prey has the right to take his life, or use him for whatever purposes he might. Because the hunter no longer has a right to life. That's how I see it. And it doesn't deteriorate my philosphy one bit. =P Edit: Wow, that's ironic, I actually missed the extra o in "philosophy" above there. Maybe it is deteriorating, right before my very eyes! *cries* Haha ... How about the animal? The animal is QUITE damaged. If you don't have to compete over resources to survive ... why would you compete at all? Why wouldn't you be friends? It is NOT natural for a man to kill an animal unless he has to. Why would it be natural? Animals don't fight if they don't have to. And you call that an excuse? That's ridiculous. What about killers like that one guy who poisoned over 100 people using cyanide and stuff, and he did it because that's what his job was, and he said even in prison, that he knew the risks, and he has no remorse? That idea comes from a lack of knowing what morality is. Morality isn't about creating "peace of mind." Morality is about respecting the rights and lives of other sentient beings. They sport other animals because of their survival instinct. You say, "if we are equipped with intelligence enough to see that life is fleeting, we will want to live the most fulfilling way we can," but if that is indeed true, what is more fulfilling? Killing animals? Or helping every single being live longer, so they can have even MORE fulfililng lives? Ending life does not fulfill life. The ends do not justify the means. Gee, I dunno, maybe, the fact that the animal has to feel pain and die? This isn't about peace of mind, that's an entirely selfish and egotistical idea. Are you going to complain if I come over to your place, and shoot you with a gun, then wait while you suffer until you die (because I don't want to waste another bullet; hunters have that mentality, you know), then skin you and cut your muscle apart, to eat it with a peace of mind? Would you be okay with that? Hell no! And animals aren't okay with it either! Golden Rule: Treat others the way you want to be treated. That's all it is. Actually, if you think that, you're actually behind most of the population. Pretty much every hunter I have ever met had the exact same mentality, and I have never met a liberal hunter; only conservative hunters. And conservatives, heck, they don't want change, they want things to stay the same as they are, or to even revert backwards. You can't call that "ahead" of the population.
