I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

Wow, I know there are more pathetic, ignorant, self-delusional people out there, but you come pretty damn close to being the worst. Nick gave you straight up evidence, and you flat out deneid it. I urge, even BEG you, to even CONSIDER and interconnected universe. Please, please, please, please, for you own good, MEDITATE! Yes, it's boring at the start. As soon as you get the hang of getting into the "zone" faster, it will come to help you realize the secrets of the universe.

I know this may be hard for you to believe, but I actually CARE and WORRY and HOPE for every aethiest that they will see God one day, one way or another. I don't want ANYBODY to go to hell. PLEASE, seriously reflect on what you have been told be Nickalaus, snakeeyes, and myself. If you really can't find time to consider the possibility that God COULD be real, then God help you.

 

good job yeal.

 

thanks, man.

 

Nikalaus

how can recording emotions be considered evidence and the you say that there will be no more doubts(that sounds like the opposite of enlightment). this does not make sense. it does seem that things in the universe are connected , as in they seem interact this is observable so i do not consider this inconsisten reality. but i dont think you are right in making any claims beyong that, as in a living being creating the universe and such. you don't have the basis to claim this.
i reject this.

 

clearly i went into the evidence, and it turned out to be bogus thats why i deny that it is relevant. i read about it. NIkalaus lied about the results of the experiments being accepted. have you forgotten what i said? the experiments are questionable. the guy doing them even admits that he picks the most pleasing results. how do you expect me to accept that?

now, who is really delusional here?

you guys have proven nothing

 

snake eyes

Only in sheer existence, not its difference ie. its approximation to truth.

Is it not then also for me to decide whether to write 'god' off (which I do, effortlessly) upon my own idea of truth? Only the truest find they can't help but be foremost in the headlong love of language. The hypocrites, largely unconscious, must find their proper vocation in excusing themselves with the metaphors of the bygone.





You godless,
the religious have yet to discover piety, but that is no reason to stop them from trying! They're not completely gutless.

 

you should try arguing with believer. not only do they take the most outlandish claims as the basis for the data-set, but they belive it with such ferocity that they in turn think validates their beleifs.
That, or they're sooooo massively un-informed (or ignorant) that when you do prove them wrong they don't understand why.
They also don't understand the very basics, like the big bang, or evolution (hands up everyone who thinks that evolution means humans came from monkeys), and they think that because they can't understand it, some creator is involved.

Arguing with a believer is like aruging with a rubber wall, cause the crazy guy in the straight jaket is too F*cked up to understand, or even register, your presence.

 

h'okay,
i've meditated for years, it's a nice way to de-stress.
i've read about almost every religion.
i've even read some of their pamphlets.

I've tried to validate the existence of god (even when i gave up religions all together).
And i've come to the conclusion that they're all bullshit.
you seem to take the view that Atheism (not Aetheism, which is a belief in pretty things) is the starting point, when for everyone i know, it's the end of the road.

a road you yourself are on btw.

at the end, you'll realize how you are only deluding yourself to make sense of your surroundings. you'll also realize how destructive these delusions can be, and how people who are smarter than you (the people that made 'the secret') are using your need for a god to make a quick buck.

...and there is no hell. the catholics just made it up (along with christmas, origional sin, purgatory, limbo, and absolutions).

 

I said it before and I'll say it again...

"I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW."

I'll mail you a post card from the carabiean on my Yacht sailing around trying to convert people like you cause that's truly waht will make me happy, and I know i'll get there thanks to what these people have taught me.

Toodles...

 

Ok, then. Prove me wrong. Give me hard, solid, indesputible evidence of the non-existance of God. You don't seem to understand faith. You get rewarded for it (Heaven) because you aren't 100% sure that it exists. If you got to go to Heaven for believing that the sky is blue, thats stupid, because everyone knows that. You get REWARDED for believing in something your not sure exists. Don't you understand?

It takes backbone, and strength, and courage to embrace that God is real. After twenty-some of pages, no one can disprove me theory of the creation of consciousness and life. Look at point B in the original post. It says that (and this even applies to YOUR theory, that consciousness is a product of time and energy) if consciousness evolved, then the entire universe had to be conscious in the VERY BEGINNING. It is so difficult to explain, and I wish you understood.

You say that even when I am proven wrong, I deny it. When have I been proven wrong? Name one time.

 

Sun Tzu, In the art of war, says don't attack your enemy, attack your enemies' strategy itself.

Pardon me while I go for the throat.

(I think I may have read brief comments about what i'm going to say in this thread or another... i'm not sure which. Either way, I have a diffrent conclusion then what I read).

If you do not believe in God. Then you have not faith in God.
Then in order to not have faith in God, you need to have faith in something else. So where do you put it? in Science, the study of what is real, calculatable and concrete. Why? Cause it's tried tested and true?

Let me tell you something about your precious Scientific community. As part of my studies I have spent a fair ammount of time in a court of LAW. And let me tell you something about our dear Medical, Psychiatric, and Scientific community when it comes under JUDGEMENT according to social LAW...

In the attempts to PROVE either INNOCENCE OR GUILT of parties in the eyes of the LAW. You will have a panel of experts completly DESTROY the credibility of science, medicine, psychology, etc etc etc... just to prove INNOCENCE OR GUILT.

What the @!#$ is that?

How can I have faith in that in BS like that?

Here are two PHDs of a certain disipline who have all studied the same tried tested and true theories' and now they are arguing tooth and nail that ONE IS RIGHT and ONE IS WRONG...

I am supposed to have faith in these same tried tested and true theories **COUGHS "CLAIMS" COUGHS*** to prove to me there is NO GOD?


Think about it... Envision it in your mind...

"Dr, John is simply "misinterpreting this" and "misinterpreting that"

MIS-INTERPRETING?

HOW CAN YOU MIS-INTERPRET the APPARENT tried tested and true SCIENTIFICALLY, PROVEN THEORY WITH, MATH, AND NUMBERS, AND SAID OBSERVATIONS.

Oh, but yet, you hear that argument every day in a court of law.

Coming back to the orginal quote i quoted, I hope this shows you a little insight on FAITH, and I hope so carfully RECONSIDER exactly what you put your FAITH in.


... ... ... sighs heavily and deeply, ... Three, two, one... Here come the guy with no FAITH in the legal system shouting... "YAH BUT THAT ONLY HAPPENS BECAUSE OF CORRUPTION IN THE SYSTEM AND ONE PARTY PAYS ONE EXPERT OFF MORE THEN THE OTHER TO LIE!!!"

HA HA!

Exactly my "Sun Tzu back from the dead on a rampage with an Ak-47" POINT!

FAITH!

Where you gonna put yours?

In the fact that when you die your gonna close your eyes and be surrounded by blackness and nothingness and turn into a steaming pile cow shit and fertilizer and some baboon is gonna eat the grass you produce in 100 years from now and you live happily ever after?


I love it... The great cycle of life... POO. Everything comes from poo and turns back to Poo.

Are you fucking kidding me?

We may be alot of things down at the CORE... but brother, there ain't no HUMAN BEING THAT is, and """"I"""", SURE AS FUCK AM NOT a walking peice of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU WANNA TALK DELUSIONAL? YOU WANNA TALK FAIRY TALES OF YOUR IMMAGINATION?

TRY THAT, NO FAITH IN AFTER LIFE... THEN YOUR A WALKING PEICE OF SHIT... HOW DOES THAT SOUND? DO YOU LIKE IT?

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE... LITERALLY, A PEICE OF SHIT!

g'day shit head

right back at you shit face...

WHAT KIND OF WORLD WOULD THAT BE?

If that is seriously the universe I live in, to HELL with that. I'd rather be DEAD SHIT then LIVING SHIT. On no but wait, I can't because that's true it's a cycle...

Pardon me while I go now and thank my God that I know exists and I love for rescuing me from the SHITSTORM.

PEACE!

 

-if it is how you put it then isnt it the court of law that you should be doubting. wouldn't that show more guts in that case compared to imaginary/bogus things.

-you are just deciding everything by yourself. and based on what? this doesnt even make sense. i don't think this is relevant

-not being able to prove something does not prove something else. i consider myself pretty optimistic.

 

but what you are saying is bogus. you have not proven that there is some kind "God" . and yet you still act like you are sure something like that exists

don't forget that you are the one making claims. the title of the thread even says that you would prove. so you have to do the proving. to you i can also say the same: if something cannot be proven then it does not imply that it is proven.

 

My friend, the fact that SHIT DOES NOT DIE AND IN TURN PRODUCE LIFE, ... that fact that it is a cycle should be in the very least an alarm in your mind. We have all said where did the first spark of energy come from?

Relaxxx said: It sure (and I quote) "AS SHIT" did not come from an imaginary being hovering over us called God. I beleive he said the imaginary hovering being did not "FART IT OUT"...

We'll if he's so sure about shit, and shit is the cycle of life... then in the very least, in that line of thinking you better start worshiping the Almighty POO as your God.

Cause even Laxxx said in that post he was UNSURE of where this energy came from, this initial "spark". I believe he called it...

WOW the GOD of the UNIVERSE... A TURD.

That makes a whole lot of sense to me!

NOT!

But hey guess what, there's ya God. Even in a universe where all comes from Poo, you need a Poo God to have provided that first spark. WHY OH WHY I ASK ANYONE... is it so hard to believe that this first bang of energy, is governing all of energy in creation. the first spark, the first source, the center source, the center spark, the "GOD" of it all.

Going back to the original concept, even if your hardcore science and believe in the big bang. Well guess what? The energy that caused the bing bang is your "GOD". I don't care how you cut the pie. There's ya proof of God. It would appear as though Energy itself cannot be the product of Natural Selection, Sorry. It had to come from somewhere. A paralell universe, heaven, God, I don't care what you call it, or how you refer to it, it's something that cannot be seen, touched, tasted, smelled, or felt. But yet out of that energy we are all created, and to to it we return even as SHIT. Out of that energy all that is around you is created. and to it all of it returns... wow, this is starting to look like a cycle, ... could it be possible that we are not dealing with poo anymore toto?

Shit, I think your right dorothy look in a paralell universe dog's can talk!

YIPE!

 

maybe thats because you had to fit "God" in there and the necessity to warship

 

You are an idiot. Seriously. You are not very intelligent at all. At least Relaxxx put up a good argument, but you keep dodging the question. I put out hardcore evidence of GOD!!! You are so ignorant! I tried everything to make you look at what I've said.

HERE IS MY PROOF OF GOD!

We are conscious. Wev are alive, aware of ourselves, and sentient. The proof is that this LIFE can't emerge from the universe without a GOD to give life a nudge in the right direction by CREATING LIVING THINGS! OK sat you have the Big Bang. It's like the first 10 minutes of the universe, and all this shits like spinning around. Is there life in there? Nope, didn't think so. I can't think of harsher conditions for life. How can life emerge from non-sentient matter? How can matter become aware of itself? IT CAN'T! It's impossible. Now either life was put in the universe afterwards by God, or it was there when the universe was created. All matter in the universe now was here during the Big Bang, right? Life is here. Doesn't that mean that LIFE was there during the Big Bang? And what makes LIFE? GOD!

 

-which question am i dodging?

-as far as i know, you gave links to some sites without explaining why they were relevant nor did they seem to prove anything glancing at them.

-ok

-why does it have to be a "God" ?

-you have alot of pre-assumptions (as in without evidence). even if it is proven that no one understands how life was created. it still doesnt prove you right. by itself it only proves that no one understands how life was created, nothing more and nothing less.

-moreover i just see you making more claims that have no basis in reality to support your claim of the existence of "God". this is not acceptable.

-if this is your proof then it is not cosistent (which i have indicated above).

 

Ok, I agree with you about the part how just because we don't know something happened doesn't men God did it. Fair enough. Then how the fuck can sentient life come from a non-sentient universe?

And it has to be a God because nothing else can make sentient life.

 

and by the dodged question, I mean my argument on how life can't come from non-sentient matter.

 

Nods, it all comes from energy, a cycle of energy, I kinda started looking at it this way instewad of a vast interconnected network when i started reflecting on shit a while ago, it's a vast interconnected cycle of energy, Relaxxx was absolutly right, it can't and doesn't come from an omnipotent being that's hovering above us, Nope not at all. The only energy that I know that has always been, is and always will be is LIGHT.

Which is kinda ironic because the prophet whom some claim to be the son or incanated form of "God" other said he was a lunatic called Christ, said GOD IS LIGHT. He literally said that...

GOD IS LIGHT.

Now the footnotes of my bible say i'm supposed to make some metaphor out of that and revert it back to good and evil connotations... *shakes head* that's not what jesus himself said he said LIGHT. not good not evil not anything else but LIGHT.

Wow, LIGHT, always was, is, and always will be, nothing could exist without light... and correct me if I'm worng but scientists claim that tiny compressed dot of matter before the bing bang can be compared to a small flickering LIGHT.

And that being said,

peace out...

cause I do believe I have made every attempt possible at explaining it the way i see it, if you still don't get it... now I officially give up, i see it, i believe it, and this is starting to drive me nuts...

catch you all on the flip side.