I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

Uh, what?! There is?
haha since when?
OH! You mean, like how the life of
a child comes from an intial spark
seemingly out of nowhere that science
has not yet been able to discover the
source of?
Or, how the human body grows from
a single cell into an entire, self computing,
self sustaing, astral radio perceiving nervous
system?
Or how gigantic, towering trees grown
from a tiny seed?
Or possibly, you are referring to the vast
"random" occurence of the structure
of the subatomic particles, that if only
any single one of them was the slightest,
tinyest bit smaller or larger, faster or
slower, would cause suns to live only a
few hundred years, or that they would
be so rapid and powerful that they would
explode in mere seconds? And the
universe could potentially be composed simply
of gas and ether? Yea, life is random
Even though science has already admitted that
the probabilities of life and the structure of all
the building blocks behind solids, liquids, and
gases being of a random origin of silence between
"soul' sources, would have taken mutli
billions of years longer than the current estimated
age of the physical universe that is generally
accepted by the majority of scientists.

Sorry, silly me, I forgot how much overwhelming
evidence exists that proves God to be a false
man conceived deity born out of the desire to
live forever :rolleyes5
You must forgive and excuse my rediculousness ~

Dawn of light, lying between silence and soul sources,
chased amid fusions of wonder,
in moments hardly seen forgotten,
colours of pasture dancing leaves casts spells of challenge,
amused but real in thought,
we fled from the sea,
whole........
What happened? To this song? We once knew, so well...

 

Gasp! He speaks of LIES!!!

 

Hey somebody has to do it. ~

 

"we fled from the sea"

Who flees from the sea?!

 

Life, or did you not learn that in school?
More properly, We danced from the ocean

 

No, RELAYER, I mean YOU SPEAK LIES!!!

Liar liar reality denier!! This is total BS. We know how life develops and reproduces and we’ve gone over it here and science can go over it far more detail.

Again overly dramatized creationist babble, we’ve gone over this before too, remember NATURAL SELECTION?

More creationist cherry picking scientific studies to masturbate, manipulate and concoct bullshit explanations to their fantasy world. I believe Yeal mentioned this a while back and it wasn't even worth commenting on because it ignored the whole idea of MULTIPLE fucking test CULTURES! Are you honestly going to try and trick me into believing that we can possibly know the volume of these mixtures of methane, water, carbon dioxide etc.. 4 fucking billion years ago. Surely you have enough common sense to realize that a 100 milligram beaker full of these essential chemicals are not going to be combining into the optimal pattern for life in the same time frame as a 600 ton pool of the same material. Or how about a 10 square mile lake, or 1000 lakes. We are talking immeasurable numbers here. Are you going to win a lottery just as fast buying one tick as buying 50 million tickets? COME ON!!! How fucking stupid do you think we are???




And you insist that I am the closed minded one!!!!

 

you seem like the type who signs on looking to stir up some shit. now, dont get me wrong, i like to hurl my share of it, but you havent done much else on this forum but bash believers by bombarding them with none other than....your own beliefs. nothing more. what are you bringing to the table other than some insults that will just put off the ones you are trying to convince? if you call them a moron, do you really think theyll stop and say "hmm, he may be right" ?

 

I have zero tolerance for idiocy!! I'm sorry if I come off too sharp but I'm up to my tits with this bullshit all the time. I will smash open the boxes of creationist ignorance. I'm not just here to vent. I also clean shit up. When someone tries to play me like a god damn fool they get it right back in their face. So are you too going to play stupid games and run from the truth? You say all I do is throw insults so exactly what did you bring to the table with your last post? HUH???



I'm looking for the slightest thread of insight and all I see is shit flingery!!!


Come on folks, let's give the boy some applause for his own hypocrisy!

 

Can you please calmly and rationally explain in detail why you believe that there is no God so that way we can have a productive discussion?

I personally do not believe in "god" as you seem to understand it, which seems to be similar to many catholics. So really can you explain why you do not belive in any sort of Universal Conciousness, Infinite Vibration which is Life or other such interpretations of "god".

Do you belive in any sort of evolution of conciousness?

 

How could you possibly believe that the universe began with complex intelligence? That came much later.

Yes, everything is made of atoms. Our brains, which are the center of our awareness and intelligence, are made of molecules, which at the very core of them are made of atoms. So tell me again that atom does not know that it is an atom.

How do we know that atoms aren't aware of themselves? Maybe even the biggest celestial bodies are aware of themselves. Maybe light, x-rays, infrared and ultraviolet rays, and radio waves that we pickup from galaxies and stars billions of light-years away, are the "intelligence" (if you will) of that specific celestial being. It may not be an intelligence that is as complex as human intelligence, but we know that it's there because it is "telling" us that it is there.

 

Relayer, there is no spark. You seem to forget that humans are still only a type 0 civilization, meaning that we are still very primitive. The technology to completely create new lifeforms from scratch is not far away and some of it already exists today. Labs can produce custom original DNA from scratch already, the main work that needs to be done is learning what the all the genes do, so that any new organisms will be functional. That is why gene-splicing is mainly currently done, where the genes of already known function are used. Self-reproducing nano-robots are currently being developed. The so-called "miracle" of birth is nothing more then a chemical reaction, there nothing unexplained about it, the biochemistry of reproduction is quite well understood. If you are really curious, as to how a tiny seed grows into giant tree, then study how DNA works, and it will tell you exactly how. That is not a mystery.
If sub-atomic particle acted differently, then it would be a different universe. Possibly, some areas of the universe are like how you described or possibly exist in different dimensional spaces. Who's to say that life or the universe couldn't exist, with different parameters that what apparently exists today? There are several variations that would work, with differences in relation to scale and time.

In response to Asilos question, although not directed to me, I think words should be specific to what they mean, in order to communicate (pretty much the point of the use of language). "God"'s most common usage is that of Judeo-Christians, so that is the meaning I usually think people mean. If I say "god" that is the idea I'm trying to communicate. I find it inappropriate (or not specific enough) to use it in relation to ideas such as universal consciousness, infinite vibration, etc. as I don't see them as being related to the traditional usage of the word "god.

 

The fact that anything is, at all, is quite bizarre. Wondrous even. We could know every facet of empirical data, books and books and information, every detail of what it is to be a human, physically, and yet the experience of "I", of the observer, watches that knowledge from that strange sense of self. Weird!

 

Study how DNA works?
Whoever said that was the mystery?
The mystery is WHY, not how.
And no matter, because nobody so far has
gotten to the real point, you guys are simply
breaking down my examples, then claiming that
I am doing the same to examples you all have
laid out in other thread.
That is not the point, my post was in response
to the 2 atheists who claim that their is so
much overwhelming evidence that disproves
God that they cant even begin to list some.
Well?
Where is it?
So we can copy the genetics that are
ALREADY laid out before us.
Big deal.
That does not disprove God, nor does that
answer where it all started.
I do, however, have an answer as to where
it all started.
Om. Infinite sound vibration.
Care to disprove that, while your at it?
And anyone who claims that matter can not
come solely from pure sound is ignorant to even
their own science.
Science has already shown that this is very
possible.
If you guys are not aware of that, I would
gladly post the info. ~

 

The majority of your post is insensitive nonsense
most likely because you have nothing else to
go on.

In response to this, oh, so now we know how life
develops and reproduces?
Wow what an accomplisment!
But, we do NOT know where awerness and the
spark of life comes from.
We can see it happening, yea, that much is
easy.
But, my friend you are wrong, we do not know
how to even COPY that spark of life without
copying from prexisting material.

Picture it likes this, I can take an amazing painting
and put tracing paper over it and copy it almost
if not exactly as it was originaly painted.
So what does that make me? The original painter? ~

 

Blows the mind, doesnt it? haha

And I would argue that no, the brain
is the center of our ego, but it is not
the essence of our awareness.
If it were, how come we cant see the
inside of our body?
How come we cant see our own face?

It's an illusion man. Even a grade F
psychonaut would firgure this out on
LSD. ~

 

I just don't see "WHY" as a valid question to ask the universe, but could simply be, novelty. It's the one thing that all matter and energy gives rise to and has in common. I think what I wrote was, that there isn't any evidence for there being a "god". I can't think of a single good reason why the universe would need or want a "god", the concept of it is always smaller then the whole of the universe. Not sure what OM or infinite sound vibration has to do with the topic as that is something different the the tradition meaning of "god".

 

Yes and apparently neither do relaxxx and the
rest of the people who claim there is no
evidence in favor of God.
How can I explain it to you?
Really I cant, though there is a wealth of
semi descriptions online, but that wont
exactly help much since you need to
experience that sound yourself to be
able to comprehend it's importance.

I only come here to talk with you guys
for fun.
What I have perceived I am slowly beginning
to realize is something that not that many
people are currently aware of, so in a way
my euphoria is partly due to the fact that
I am one damn lucky person, because when
that day came that I found God in a sound
and watched in awe as that sound came to
life, massive waves of pure bliss washing
over me (sat chit ananda) my life and
and my perception changed forever. And
it came to me unnanounced and invoulantarily.

I am not claiming to be Christlike or even
better than any of you. Im not, we are
all equal.
But it is obvious that none of you have even
come close to seeing this, and even I am just
an observer.
I could not really put it into words in a way
that would discredit the insults thrown at me
that I am a hallucinating and delusioned.
So I just keep going, happy and high, everyday. ~

 

In opposition to metaphysics---

The poetic, the musical, have always wanted their words to do more than sing.

Not having to take care to see what is not ours fall away from us, we seek what is at once a passion as well as an intelligence.

 

to what exactly?!

When you become a man, you may not feel this way.

 

Hopefully when I become a man I dont
speak as if I was so full of myself.