I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

Ah, but what constitutes individuality? I know that I moved from a body level identification system to an energy based system. From the perspective of the energy based system there is no level of existence we do not have access to.
What does this switch look like. My body becomes common biological stock. No longer do I have a sense of the need to protect myself from harm. The strength of the stock lies in its' rich and diverse heritage and I can only add my voice to it.
My gender becomes a reproductive strategy of the species. I no longer need to worry about territorial imperatives or competition for, "breeding rights". jealousy, hurt feelings, shyness, bluster, or any mock social warfare.
The body based system defines itself in how it is different or specially distinct from all other things.
The energy based system identifies with the pulse that courses through all things and is stranger to nothing.
The storms in the atmosphere are caused by uneven heating. The storms in the human psyche are produced by the very same energetic process as we engage life with a disparate level of appreciation.

 

Surely-- but this is an argument against the existence of Free Will. An argument I won't oppose.

However, it does back up the position that the existence of god is a null point.

 

My argument is not against free will but that the quality of will is granted to all equally.

 

An instinct?

If everyone truly acted in accordance with freewill, I don't think we could survive very long at all. And we each constitute part of one anothers environment.

Personally, I suspect human behavior is just so complex that it appears as freewill. But like a card game, it's hard to follow the shuffle.

I'm not sure "individuality" has any meaning at all with respect to life, frankly.

Thought experiment:

Nothing exist except a single life-form.

What can we deduce? Why, that it's dead!

Life cannot exist without being integrated into it's enviroment.

That seems pretty fundamental- a Primary Parameter. And almost a religious axiom; just replace "Life" with "The Righteous" and "Environment" with "God".

 

As well intent.

We are all hear because we fundamentally want to be. We are constrained only by the self organizing principle of life and in that single prohibition we find grace. Mastery however, is to pick ones life up and lay it down at will.
We wonder over free will not because it may or may not exist, but because the demonstration of will has been over taken by the "traffic control" of tradition. Our own purpose in life a mystery as we conform to purposes to which we are put by societies.

I agree. Integrity is the operative word.

As above so below. A standard axiom.

 

I just can't accept the assumption the "we" have a purpose.
Life, has a purpose-- but me and you?
Our "life-purpose" is clear; to roll the gentic dice one more time in the crap shoot of life. But other than that...

Ae people a product of the times, or are the times a product of the people?

 

addresses question
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=370773&page=4

 

i think you are confusing function with purpose....

without the function "rolling the genetic dice" human beings would not exist at all yes, but that is a possibility you have to accept when considering existence.

for example bacteria help decomposition in dead animals but it isn't their purpose....its just what they do....the only reason it is done at all is because it is beneficial

the moon revolves around the earth but that isn't its purpose....it just does that, and it just happens to keep our species alive.

 

Not at all. Hence, "I just can't accept the assumption the "we" have a purpose."

Life all fills a probability niche, but there is no reason to suppose it has a "function", per se, other than to exist and evolve.

 

there is ultimately no purpose to anything, its all about being happy, peace, love etc etc.
to quote the streets, nothing has significance and nothing has relevance, all i can see is her elegamce

 

Homocentricity

 

"There is ultimately no purpose to anything, its all about being happy, peace, love, etc. etc. to quote the streets, nothing has significance and nothing has relevance, all is her elegance."

But I can agree with you: if you still have to show your incompetence at work..., off the job or on the job, you still wouldn't prove God's existence. I am happy.

 

Theology 101:

So who or what created God?

 

I suggest you go do some serious research in the area of Metaphysics... then you might get a better understanding of how the material realm and spiritual realms interact and co-exist.
Here's a great site you may like, it has so much info, it'll keep you busy a long while...Crystalinks Metaphysical and Science Website
Click on A-Z for a complete list of subjects.

 

I looked at that site. There were no naked ladies on it.

 

I like your user name. Is this like Chicken Liver Shit from the old I.D.'s age? We cannot wait for God to give us the go ahead for SMoussavi. Inform us. She lives.

 

Nothing of value either. For the record, I have to encourage everyone to ignore this New Age shit.

 

Granted, there is some "new age shit" that must be taken lightly, but as for the science of certain things, it does exist, even if its beyond your current understanding... just because someone remains skeptical and unbelieving, don't mean these things don't exist.
I've experienced many things supernatural so I know first hand it's real, if you have not, then fine, but don't be telling others it's not real... you sound like you're a Christian, if so, you think you know god is real, only by faith, and from your parents teaching you to believe it so all these years, and because the bible says so... but how can you possibly know its all real? You can't, you just believe it is.

Definitions: To Believe- to accept as real or true, but to also have doubts.
To Know- to perceive directly with the senses or mind.

I don't have to believe when I know.

As for GOD, it doesn't matter what religion you choose, what name you prefer, what culture you come from, God is the one of all things, nature, the elements, the universe, the energies within and without our very being, and all things should be respected with unconditional love... strange how many are kind to their own kind, in their own chruch, and mean to any who are not of their faith... shame.

 

Your assumption that I'm a Christian is sorely mistaken, so the last 2/3 or so of your post is irrelevant. As to the rest, this stuff isn't science. It's just as much faith-based as all the religions you just finished denigrating. Believe me, I used to believe in it myself; I'm in a good position to see through it now. There is enough pseudoscience in mainstream, 'real' science; let's not start calling this stuff science too.

 

God, smod.
A difference which makes no difference-- oh wait, it does make a difference.

Invoking "god" justifies anythig any human wishes to do to any other.
Only the religious can rationalize atrocity.