I fear for the state of our military and the work they do after this...

Why not? The category "Soldiers" is comprised of the same spectrum of personalities as any of the other groups I mentioned.
What I was pointing out was that their behavior is no different then a lot of KIDS that age. I'm willing to bet that those that vig saw were all 18-22 years old.
So regardless of whatever job, profession or vocation they may be in and whatever "uniform" that profession requires, they are still "kids".

I was looking past the "costume" and acknowledging the age appropriate (or inappropriate) behavior.
What I do notice, and I may be completely mistaken, it wouldn't be the first or last time, is that your response to me and others is more of an attempt to come to Vigi's defense and your specific response to me was simply because PB_Smith said it given our previous exchange earlier this week, rather than the content of what I said.

The content of what I said is valid and true, they are just young and doing what a lot of young idiots do, regardless of what "is expected of them".
I'm sure all the hippies of the late 60's and early 70's left a wonderful impression on those in Europe and the Netherlands as they traveled there in droves.

So a car full of pot smoking hippies sporting dreads careening around campus and driving recklessly would be perfectly fine with you and Vig?
It's only a problem because they are "soldiers"?

 

Every word of this is spot on. ^^^


People are people. Most people have are biased towards uniforms such as the police and the military. They see them as people who want to take away their rights. The problem is the system, not the people.

 

partying to a bunch of Navy guys means getting trashed and starting fights, trying to holler at a chick out on a date with her boyfriend, puking in sinks, breaking things, and driving back to base hammered.

I grew up in DC, home of hoards of well behaved military personnel sitting at desks. but maybe if I grew up in the wilderness somewhere I wouldn't be so 'biased.'

where do you live luna?

 

Um, military personel have been doing such things all over the world since armies were formed. If I was put in a situation similar to theirs and was constantly under the stress of war and combat, I would be looking to blow off some steam myself. I'm not saying its right or their not assholes for doing it but its kind of the way it is, and will probably always be. Sorry your having such a hard time with these people Deviate but its just human nature some people are just rowdy by nature.

 

Fixed

I live smack dab in the middle of the capital city of Canada, (population 900,000) full of government employees and some military. Nowhere near the wilderness.

Biases are not avoided by location, they're avoided by having an open mind.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to be honest.

 

would you feel inclined to report them to the police?

 

when I said obligated I mean they took an oath of enlistment. they are supposed to be bound by honor and that good stuff. it's not about coming to vigi's defense, you took the entire premise of this thread out of context. it was about soldiers in fatigues (i.e., uniform, i.e. on the job) cursing at and endangering civilians.

you just like to argue even if you lack an argument. that is very clear. either that or you are just bitter from not getting laid in the last 30 years.

and no, 'pot smoking hippies' don't bother me. I have never in my life seen people stoned out of their mind driving around like reckless idiots, unless alcohol or other drugs are involved.

 

I agree with you, but you see.. it's a lot easier to be so beautifully open minded when you live in one of the most neutral countries on the planet. different environmental exposure my man.

 

I agree, I used to have unfair biases towards ethnicities because of where I live. We accept immigrants here at a large rate, some come here and create violence, start gangs, fire handguns in the street at night. It's hard sometimes not to get caught up in that.

They only do this because they may not know any better yet. Many come from war torn countries or places where rules and laws were never a big deal, so when they come here they can sometimes act like it's the wild west. It's not their fault, they don't know any better, there just needs to be an adjustment period.

I could blame them, but what good would that do? It's their country and its systems that have failed them, having them opt to come here.

Same goes for military and navy types. The younger ones especially. That line of work can be really hard on someone's nerves. Better to have them get a little drunk and rowdy then to go Full Metal Jacket on someone's ass.

 

I think that's a cop-out and too bleeding heart for me. I believe in personal accountability and responsibility, I don't rely on any system to govern my personal ethics.

if I moved to a place with an entirely different culture I would sit back and absorb the environment, rapid adjustment. but what happens is they feed off of others in their particular community rather than the larger culture. and people being excessively tolerant (such as the people shifting the blame of Michael Vick's actions to his childhood) only exacerbates these issues.

so, adjustment period or not, if someone comes up on my property acting like a fool and trying to rape and pillage, they are getting shot. I'm over it.

and that is one of the best scenes in film history.

 

Most colleges also expect all the students to adhere to certain behavioral guidelines, as do high schools, employers, as well as the military.
Vigilantes' post title is naive and sensationalized relative to the actual activity of the individuals in question. I was honestly expecting to see some serious news article or clip of some type of new policies or budget changes or something more significant than some assholes acting like asshole who JUST HAPPEN to also be in the military.

Nice, resorting to an infantile ad hominem attack.
The earmark of an honest, knowledgeable person who is confident in their position.

If you have never seen pot smoking hippies acting in reckless and dangerous manners that bring denigration to Americans as a whole just tells me you have led a rather sheltered life.

 

Depending on the severity of their reckless behavior, yes, regardless of what costume they are wearing.

 

you must of missed: soldier, eats dead insurgents milky-way bar.. antics... always up to antics... WAr against the enemy is an antic, fooling with them, fucking with them, lul when you fuck them up with stuff..

Antic: a prank or trick played on a person or persons (especially one intended to make the victims appear foolish)..

 

most universities do have a code of conduct, you're right, but that is a far cry from a professional code of ethics.

there you go with your sensationalist shit again. why don't you put your depth of understanding of literary style to good use and go attack some yellow journalists?

my attack was very valid.. it's like you are following people around these boards and attempting to belittle them in an explicitly spiteful manner. something along the lines of a sexually frustrated 18 year old.

and as far as leading a sheltered life, I don't feel the need to defend that to an immature 48 year old on the internet. so yup, I'm sitting in my mama's basement right now with a heart-shaped PB&J and a glass of milk.

 

I completely agree. Though you do rely on a government to hold people responsible for their actions.

It's easy to say that, but here's the thing. You're white (I'm assuming, if I'm wrong I'm sure you're of a generally accepted ethnicity), you speak and write english, you pay taxes. For those three reasons alone you have it 100 times easier than someone who is or does not do one of those. Most of the immigrants who move here barely speak english, are not white, and have no money. It would be fine for you to sit back and soak in the locality, most immigrants don't have that option as they don't understand the language or the signs. Also many come from terrible places and don't yet know our ways. You can't expect them to learn overnight.

I don't know who Michael Vick is.

I agree

Though this is better

...speaking of the military

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mANbl6QX9ok"]YouTube - Apocalypse Now Do Long Bridge

 

Wow, touchy. did I strike a nerve or something?
I was going to respond further, but frankly, you're not worth the effort.
Although I will say I don't appear to be the one on the attack here.

 

ok.

 

then you should

 

I don't even rely on that.. I know the law, and I can defend myself. the last thing I'm going to be doing during a burglary is call the cops. I'll be grabbing my gun while my dogs are grabbing throats.. but I understand that point of view. there has to be some form of structure or we would all be defending ourselves on the regular. I just pride self sufficiency.

yes, I'm white. yes, I speak and write english. but I would also study the local language and dialect before moving to a non english speaking country, at least the basics. it's not my fault they come here unprepared. for the record I have worked with many immigrants and helped them adapt. I have no problem with that in the least. I have a problem with the ones who think they are George Jung and make no legitimate effort to be a decent human, while blaming everything around them. that goes for people in any place.

Michael Vick is a piece of shit, so it's probably better you don't know who he is. and Apocalypse Now, huh? you just brought things to a whole new level.

 

A bad or a good level?