I fear for the state of our military and the work they do after this...

much better. It conveys a completely different meaning now, one with which I have to agree

I know I can be a bit of a hardass when it comes to written language. But in these forums I don't have the added communications of your expression, inflection, body language (hot body) and all the other little signs that help communicate your meaning and intent. We are forced to form judgements and understanding based solely on the written word.

 

yeah, i admit i probably should ahve thought of a less ambiguous title.

 

the title was good. it stirred everyone up and I got a few laughs

 

Sexist pig.

 

isn't the point of a uniform that those wearing them are to be treat as a single unit rather than individuals?

 

Yes the military teaches us the importance of working as a unit but they also teach self-reliance


Hotwater

 

then this thread would indicate that it needs to seriously re-evaluate it's teaching methods

why shouldn't it be all inclusive? all military personal recieve the same basic training, which includes a code of conduct don't they?

if a member of the public sees a person in military uniform then the logical assumption is that they are on active duty.... and if they are on active duty then they have completed at least basic training..... as all military personal recieve the same training it is logical to assume that the behaviour of an individual would be indicative of the behaviour of them all

the only other alternatives are that the armed forces put uniforms on people incapable of passing basic training... or that military training doesn't cover behaviour witnessed by the OP

 

Yes we have a code of conduct which is strictly enforced under the previsions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) which pretty much covers EVERYTHING atriot:

Thank god they removed the provision for carnal knowledge


Hotwater

 

:smilielol5:

 

Why is it we all want to be judged as individuals and not based on group stereotypes,
except when it comes to the other guy?
Sure military personnel are supposed to behave according to a code of conduct, so is everyone else to one degree or another. But we are all individuals and want to be treated and judged by our own personal actions, don't we?
The military is also composed of individuals, as are the police.
I think maybe some members of this forum need to mature a bit and treat and judge other people based on the way they would like to be judged, myself included.
To often some just jump on the "down with cops, down with military" bandwagons.
Exhibit a little individual thought and judgment, instead on conforming to a stereotyped persona.

 

the difference I believe, PB, is that the military is a little more than just a 'group.' it's an institution.

 

What would (or should) occur if a group of military cadets, in uniform, are mouthing off in the back of a car...?
Do you think it was conduct unbecoming etc?
Do you think we should (or others should) be getting too worked up about their conduct in the grand scheme of things?

(apologies if you have already answered these points)

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I’m sure they were just letting off some steam and VH-2 felt intimidated by them

Now if they acted that way in the presence of their commanding officer it’s an entirely different situation. They could be subjected to disciplinary punishment which could include a reprimand, restriction, receive extra duties, or a reduction in grade


Hotwater

 

Is it more mature to base an opinion on individual experience, morals and ethics.... or should you form your opinions on the heresay of others?

 

Of course it is a more mature approach to form opinions based on personal experience. But even personal experience does not always represent the whole of a group, institution, or stereotype.
Far too often opinions are formed based on the hearsay of others, this thread contains examples of that.
Right or wrong, mature or immature, it is what humans do.

I feel like you are trying to bait me with your question. What is your motive as pertains to me?

 

Well maybe you didnt think that they could have just got back from overseas. If i just got back from iraq i would be hauling ass in a hummer drinking beer and yelling at people too. Theyve earned the right to do that, what the hell have you done.

 

ty for the reply

no, i wasn't trying to bait you... admittedly it was a hard question.. but you were never obligated to answer, i wouldn't have taken it personally if you didn't .. no motive, just a lil' gentle socratic method to find out where you are coming from

 

i seen a heart surgeon, outside the hospital smoking.. :derail ahead:..

 

how the fuck did they earn the right to almost run someone over? something tells me you wouldn't even make it back from Iraq.

 

Almost is the key word here.