i hate bush

Stop ASSuming. I think both Bush and John Kerry are liars.

Reading skills Danip?? I said some Republicans are ASSHOLES like you. There are plenty of good people out there with some silly label.
Im glad at least someone is out there and protesting and making a big deal of things. Instead of eating all the crap is tossed in front of them. HEAVEN FORBID THAT AMERICANS THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND HAVE OPINIONS BESIDES YOUR OWN.

Perhaps you should make a I LOVE BUSH thread.

 

Glad to see you are not totally brain dead. Of course John Kerry is a liar. Of course Bush is a liar to. Welcome to politics, everyone lies. But we need someone in office who isnt a pussy, someone who isnt afraid to go against what the rest of pussys in the world believe, peace at all costs. We need someone who is not going to just ask nicely for the mean terrorists to stop attacking and who is not going to appologize to the pussys in Europe for NOTHING. I do in fact think for myself. Unfortunately the rest of the country believes everything that is spoon fed to them by NBC news, or any other news channel owned by the power starved liberals. The truth is I do not LOVE Bush but I know in fact that he is the only person running for president that can do a decent job. He has done a decent job these past four years, but there is a war going on inside our country, between the power starved liberals and anyone who disagrees with them. They are tearing the country apart. Look where we were after 9/11, united, look where we are now, the country is torn apart.

 

It isnt the liberals who tore the country apart but this lying sensationalistic administration which has been caught in lie after lie after lie while our young men and women have been sent to fight an illegal war of aggression without any legitimate threat or provocation.

The reason the public are at such odds is precisely for the extent of the propaganda which far too many have gullibly swallowed to suit there warmongering ideology only to have it repeatedly debunked by those who care about the present and future standing of our nation (which has been severely eroded by the beligerence and unaccountability of the administration itself).

Perhaps if our good little administration sycophants cared more about the country than they do their precious right wing ideology, their obvious love for war (and its underlying principle of might makes right) and their delusional belief that the administration is keeping them safe (from another overinflated, media fed shadowy "threat"), they might stop to swallowing every new claim that emerges (transparently intended to evoke just the sort of knee jerk reactionism currently characterising our country) and turn their scrutiny on those who have demonstrated the most sweeping betrayals of our Constitution, the international legal framework, the lives of our soldiers, and have misused executive priviledge to stonewall all calls for accountability.

If there were a factory of hate in the US it would most certainly be housed in those media outlets which have fed the public a steady diet of unsubstantiated assertions and divisive monikers such as "unAmerican", "traitors", "lovers of terrorists", etc. It doesn't take a genius to see clearly from whence that excessive hate originates and it isn't the liberally minded.

 

Blaming either liberals or conservatives for the torn state our country is in is the pot calling the kettle black. And lickherish, do you honestly believe that the right winger's of this country love war?

 

The war has torn the country apart.

 

I think summing up our current situation as a matter of "pussies vs. tough guys" is silly and a gross oversimplification. The sooner our administration loses this stigma of being all macho and having a my-way-or-the-highway attitude, the better off we'll be on the world stage. This is not a game of bloody knuckles. We're not going to win the war with simple brute force, and we definitely won't get anywhere fast without international help. Look at how we got tangled up in Iraq - we do need support from other countries to make this work. Flipping off the international community and barging ahead on our own obviously doesn't endear us to the rest of the world, and in my opinion plays into the hands of the terrorists by validating their image of us as the Great Satan to Arab ears - the terrorists need to sway the Arab public to gain more control.

So that's one of the many reasons why I think Bush is a crappy president - he's caused serious damage to our already tarnished rep abroad, got us mired in Iraq (which I believe had no substantial link to al-Qaeda, and created a very unstable power vacuum in the world's most unstable region) and that does not at all help us with the terrorist problem.

 

Yes, the war has torn the country apart, because the liberals so it was a great opportunity to do that. They knew they could never win in a country that was as united as the U.S. was.

Lickherish, ok so the hate is housed in the media. The media is biased. The media is left wing. The media is sympathetic to the liberals.

 

I don't understand why everyone is so upset about the war. Directly after 9/11 President Bush and his administration said that the war would not end in Afghanistan or Pakistan, but it would continue until terrorists are gone. He also said that it would be a hard and long war with many deaths. Now all of a sudden the left wing is acting so astonished and insulted that the war on terror is still being pursued. Why? Didn't the Bush administration tell the country that the war would not end in Afghanistan and Pakistan? What kind of message do you think Bush would have sent if he stopped after those two countries? The same kind of message that the Spanish government did after they were attacked in Madrid. By not continuing their allied status with the US on the war on terror, the Spanish government affirmed the actions of Al-Qaeda. Now Al-Qaeda realizes that if they continue to attack other countries they CAN get what they want. In order for Al-Qaeda to stop (or at least diminish) its attacks, they have to realize that the world will not stop pursuing them when they commit acts like this. By stopping the war on terror we are aiding and abetting the Al-Qaeda and terrorist networks. In regards to the deaths of Americans. Yes, it is horrible to lose the lives of Americans. But it is impossible to win a war without casualties. Unfortunately, that is what happens. War will never be pretty.

 

You keep deluding yourself Danip. you simply so many bogus right wing fabrications you are obviously incapable of seeing the very real corporate driven right wing slant of mainstream media.

ANd with Fox News now gaining the largest viewing audience in the US, you clearly are willfully blinded to suggest that the hate is eminating from any liberal bias. O'reilly, Coulter, Hannity, et al. are no liberals. Liars and hate-mongers to be sure, but far from liberal.

 

O'reilly is a dumbass.

Maybe you are deluding yourself by saying so many bogus left wing fabrications and you are the one incapable of seeing the very real corporate driven left wing slant. There is no right wing slant in media.

NCF good post.

 

The right call's the media left wing, the left call's the media right wing. There are truth to both sides. Once again the pot is calling the kettle black.

 

Would you blow Bush if given the opportunity?

 

One need only bother doing some investigation into the significant preponderance of right wing pundits invited to explain world affairs over any liberal experts (which has indeed been researched, catalogued and made available to any who care to do go educate themselves) as well as scrutinising the corporations which own the bulk of our US media (NewsCorp and Clear Channel being the two most prolific owners of print, and broadcast media) to see without any doubt that claims of liberal bias are merely the rants of those in power who wish to evade rightful public scrutiny and accountability.

The media was anything but liberal when it reptitively regurgitated the accusations and hounding of the majority right wing Congress during the Clinton years. They were all too eager to print any dirt alleged without any prior investigative journalism only to be shamed into retractions on numerous occasions just as they have been since Bush rolled out his bogus war on terror.

Right wingers in America would gladly stifle all public debate and self scrutiny and have spared no effort to achieve just that with their beligerent monikers of "unAmerican, unpatriotic, lover of terrorists, etc. And the mainstream media has provided far more space to such arrogant and anti-democratic polemic than it has to any semblance of fair and balanced scrutiny for which the 4th estate was always intended to stand.

 

Dude, you're entirely missing the point. I don't a damn what Bush's administration's predictions were about the war (I think their predictions are already unfolding to be wrong, such as expecting Iraq to welcome them). I think Bush's current war policy is short-sighted and bound for failure. Terrorism is an idealogy, not a country or conventional military force. We won't get anywhere by simply trying to kill all the terrorists, it can't be done. The more our war builds up, the more hatred will build against us in the Arab world (of course, it's already pretty bad), and new terrorists will come to replace the ones we kill, if we continue blindly on this route of simply trying to stomp out terrorists.

And Bush is no sagely wise man as you seem to regard him, since your argument is essentially "how can you guys possibly be mad about the war if our very own Bush said not to worry?" Most words that come out of Bush's mouth are only worthy as fodder for late-night show jokes. If you haven't noticed, there aren't many people here who regard Bush as some visionary who's got everything planned out.

Well, that's your opinion man. Personally I think a plain terrorist-hunt just isn't going to work, and will just piss the Muslim world off more. We should tone down our rash policy of beating up any country we finger as a terrorist nation without any substantial evidence, and if we act better than the terrorists like to portray us, then that will eventually undermine their propaganda and they will lose the support of the Arab world. Yeah, we probably won't do that anyway, but that to me is the wiser choice.

 

Yeah, I mean, this notion that we are going to somehow rid the world of terrorism couldn't be any more far-fetched. There are always going to be people who want to harm us, especially seeing as that we invade their land.

This notion that war will end terrorism is just stupid and very naive. If we took all the troops in Iraq and brought them home to take a defensive action in protecting our borders, we would be a lot safer than we are by taking offenive actions in bombing other countries, which is ultimately pointless.

 

I disagree with you here. Remember it isn't the general population of the Muslim world that is attacking us. It is the minute group of Islamic extremists. Even if we piss off a larger group of Muslims they aren't going to come and attack us. Also, we don't go to random nations and attack people. All of the countries we have gone to have had large terrorists groups based in them or the leaders have commited crimes against humanity. In addition, no matter what we do the terrorists will conitinue to attack us. For one simple reason, the Qu'ran tells them so.

"kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191);
"fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5);
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (5:34)
5.82 Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

2:216Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them

Right there you can see that the terrorist war on America, Jews, Christians, and any other disbeliever will never stop. I believe it is the governments duty to go after any foreign nation, person, or ideology that attacks and threatens the security, and future of the American government and people.

Although I disagree with you, I guess we'll find out who is right at the end of this whole ordeal.

 

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