I smoked crack last night

yeah, but did you smoke crack so you could relate to somebody else's problem, inde?? and seriously, I dont think penny in her condition should be smoking crack, even if she says she can handle it and only do it once.

I think its sick and sad that some of you all are sitting here supporting someone and this destructive behaviour.

 

and another thing, Im going to sit back and listen to some of you say that we dont have a right to say anything just because we havent lived those experiences. fuck that. everybody knows what crack does. Ive seen what crack has done to people's lives, and those people around them. its NOT a harmless drug and its NOT better than alcohol. get a grip guys.

if there is anyone acting superior, its those of you who had this so-called experience..... youre the quickest ones to criticize those of us who know better. ohh, but youve never experienced it, so you dont know anything, blah blah....... whatever

 

thats not what I was saying, and who says its harmless?

All i was sayng is that you came in here regurgitating after school special style themes, rather than basing them on people you know, or yourself, and you did it in a way that helps no one.

I don't respect your take on things, because you don't share things from your own life, only criticize others

Now it sounds like you do know some people who have gone through addiction to coke or crack, why not share what it has done to them instead?

I just don't think you know much about the trials and tribulations of life, sorry, you have never really revealed what you do know

 

and you think you are helping someone by saying things like "oh Ive done it, and its not as bad as its made out to be"??? seriously, for someone and her past with addictions and her mental state, NO ONE should be encouraging her to do drugs. or supporting her.

I hear this all the time with addicts. ohhh Im just going to drink alcohol, I can control that, Im not going to go back on drugs........ well lo and behold they start doing coke and smoking crack again.

and there is no way Im going to let out my dirty laundry on these forums....... that is for journal use only. you, gary, are the type of person to just disagree with me and criticize me no matter what I say, so what is the point of bringing all of that into the forums?? its personal and Id rather keep it that way. if people want to bring personal things into the forums, then thats fine, but expect to get criticized for their decisions.

and I tell you right now, Im really sick at the way some of you people are acting, supporting someone who has problems. she needs to seek help. she is in denial right now with everything, her relationship, her drug problems, and her mental state. but I know first hand, its not only nick that needs help.

 

No one that I've ever met that smokes crack has a good life. Everything has been robbed from them. Liers, stealers, cheaters, bad bad bad. I've also seen someone who completely fucked up his life turn it around. He's no saint. Still does drugs but he doesn't do crack. I think the drugs he does do is a substitute. BUT he works, earns a living, has his kids back living with him, got married. Lovely story.

That said there are people out there (including myself) who have done certain drugs once, twice, maybe even 3 times.... and then have never touched them again. It can be done.

No one wants to see you fuck up your life and get hooked on that shit Penny. You say it's not going to happen and that you and Nick know what you're doing. Be safe.

 

The only thing you can do is give your opinion. Penny (others alike) are going to do whatever they want whether it's good or bad for them. Those people have to learn on their own. What we say isn't going to change a damn thing.

 

and this is why i don't respect you, you are afraid to show people your own problems, but freely criticize others.

I don't always disagree with you, but I find your advice to others anything but helpful.

No one here is saying crack is good, they are just not jumping to conclusions about her alleged drug problem based on her smoking crack once

 

uhh no one is jumping to conclusions here. she has had mental problems and drug problems, some of us have been following her posts and talking to her via pm for quite awhile now.......

but her smoking crack, after nick had problems with crack on his own (she has said this when they werent together, that nicks crackhead friends make him choose drugs over her) and now she is smoking crack with him........ you know how fucked up that is??

I think IM being more of a friend here than you all, who are just sitting back letting her learn on her own, wtf is up with that?? IM just giving her common sense.

and no I dont have to share my experiences to give my input. you are sick gary. you must strive on finding dirt about other people.

 

No, I actually care about people and when I feel I can make a helpful comment from my own experience or though what I have learned through others I do that.

My experience is that, it is not necessarily a slippery slope, i have bottomed out with drugs, and have come back from it stronger, others can too.

Coming on here and saying "Crack is bad, ok?" does nothing.

i may be sick, but finding out dirt on others is not why

 

No, MC, I didn't. I smoked crack to get high. About $400 worth in one night, my first time. And then I threw up and shook uncontrollably and realized coke was better. That's not the point though. Point is I know it's possible to try it once and walk away, and as long as that's what she does, I don't see how she's done anything self destructive.

You call this supporting destructive behaviour? Trying a drug is not destructive behaviour. Letting your drug use get out of control is the destructive behaviour. I've not supported any behaviour I find to be destructive. I have, however, gone against those who want to put down and judge another person for something they do not understand. And those two things are quite the contrary.

 

You must not know any well off crackheads, my friend. The trainer where I work is a major crack head. He also has two jobs and owns to starter companies. He's a trainer here, a realestate agent for Century 21, owns a lawn care company, and owns a property management business. His property management business has over 200 homes that it manages, and obviously his lawn care business gets all of the contracts for those homes.

He has a wife, two kids, and a nice home. As with many things in this country it boils down to money. Those who have money don't have drug problems. Just addictions. Those who don't have money have many problems with their addictions.

And before anybody says I'm supporting destructive behaviour on the part of Penny, this had nothing to do with her situation. Just an observation on the general stereotype of drug addicts.

 

I think the point that's trying to be made is that from a good deal of observation and interaction with Penny on these forums, that from past patterns it's probably rather destructive for her.

They aren't complaining about Joe Cool down the block who smoked it once and walked away. I share half a gram of coke about once every two years, myself so I know it can be done. But you and I are not what this topic is about

 

And while I do understand this to the fullest, that's not the point that was made by others initially. It was said that some of us were "being supportive of destructive behaviour". We only know what we read. If some know more than others then those who do have more information should be a little more tolerant of the fact that we don't all have a history with every member here.

 

I kinda feel uncomfortable around you guys fighting... but I just feel I should say that first of I don't have a history of drug addiction, second, I'm stable at the moment and my "mental state" is just... stable! I'm not in a denial, my relationship is going good, Nick has quit drinking and is only smoking weed occasionally on week-ends at this point. The drink we've had was indeed the last one, he'd just gotten a job we were celebrating, and the crack was just a one time thing, as I said several times.

I'm fine, he'll be fine, and please stop fighting because it's becoming ridiculous...

 

Well all I can say Penny is I don't know why the heck you did it and damned well hope for your sake you never do it again..

 

That was bullshit... they weren't crackheads, just alcoholics and some of them cokeheads. Nick and I have come a long way and been talking, and he was just confused and fucked-up at the time... also that's when his dad's passing hit him, he told me. He did choose drugs over me, but that's because I was against them - still am, if they're taken irresponsibly - and he was going through a phase of his life were he just didn't want to stop and didn't want to deceive me either so he left me! And for the better... both of us would have ended up more hurt and in the state he was in he couldn't handle a relationship... The whole thing is just way more intricate than it seems... and some things I thought and said just happen to be wrong now... it's been months, we've started seeing each other again, we've talked a lot and truth has come out, besides I've healed my own problems, and I'm perfectly stable and happy at this point. Well I do hurt for his depression and struggle but I want to be by his side, I'm his best friend and he's my best friend, he's proved it even recently and everything is gonna be alright.

 

JUST TO TRY IT. And no, I won't do it again, I don't even want to. I don't care... and yeah I said I really wanted it, like, the day afterwards. I'm over it.

 

Thank you for understanding.

 

Good. Cos 21 is very young to start fucking up your life.

 

Whereas being open to trying new things is a good quality, not every experience is worth trying - or smart to try.
Trying crack just to try it is on par with slicing off a finger just to experience that, and why not drink a glass of bleach and try that experience too?