I stand with Israel

I am in no way insinuating that America is somehow superior in policy to Israel. Nor am I going to guess what a couple of million people would do in any situation. Would most Americans react badly in Israel's situation? Probably so. That doesn't justify it.

Also, there is no 'intelligent' way to wage war. Contradictory statement.

 

I agree, war is not intelligent, but... in Israel's case... it is sadly unavoidable, unless Israel wants to get wiped off the map by a bunch of fanatics.

 

the "god thing promise" is a poor excuse since the land was owned by the goddess before god stole it from her... kind of like here in america all the land being stolen from the indians and then the white folks buy and sell it

 

Yes, the "promised by God" is probably the worst excuse.

It's a shame that people use it, it skews the debate to pointless old religious principles which no longer govern Israel.

 

that's a good thing those old religious principles are no longer followed... around where i live, all the juice have become buddhists

 

Did this automatically create a high rise in the animal and housefly population?

 

no, these buddhists believe in compassionate slaughter

 

So you have to cry before butchering the cow?

 

yes, techinically its called wailing though

rubin, are you able to get through passover without getting stoned?

Is Marijuana Kosher for Passover?

Jacob Sullum | March 30, 2007

As I see it, the short answer to this question, posed in Tuesday's Jerusalem Post, is yes. Here is the long answer:

On Passover, which begins Monday night, Jews commemorate the Exodus from Egypt, during which the Israelites were in too much of a rush to let their dough rise and therefore had to pack unleavened bread, by refraining from "leaven" (chometz). In addition to obvious things like bread and cake, this category includes foods that might have ingredients derived from chometz or that might otherwise be contaminated by chometz. The rabbis, in what is known as "building a fence around the Torah" (also known as "making Judaism more of a pain in the ass than it has to be"), extended the prohibition further, decreeing that kitniyot—legumes, seeds, and even certain vegetables that are said to resemble chometz in some way (because they rise when mixed with water, say, or because they can be ground into something like flour)—also should be avoided. The kitniyot ban has never been followed by Sephardic Jews, and it is increasingly questioned by Ashkenazim as well, especially in Israel. But evidently there are enough Israeli pot smokers who observe the kitniyot ban for the headline question to have arisen.

Leaving aside the legitimacy of the kitniyot rule and the arbitrariness of its application, I don't see why it would prohibit possession or consumption of marijuana on Passover. If an edible seed is prohibited because it could be ground into something resembling flour, that doesn't mean the plant that grows from the seed is prohibited. For example, if coriander and mustard seed count as kitniyot (which they supposedly do), that doesn't mean you can't have cilantro or mustard greens on Passover. It should follow, then, that deseeded marijuana is OK even if hemp seeds (and foods made with them) are prohibited.

Still, I like the twist that Israel's marijuana legalization party put on the controversy:

Israel's Green Leaf Party ("Aleh Yarok") said it was not taking any chances. Following an inquiry by the Post, a spokeswoman for the party said the group was sending out an e-mail to members warning them about hemp's possible kashrut problems.

"We are warning our people not to eat anything with hemp products if they follow the practice of kitniyot on Pessah," said party spokeswoman Michelle Levine. "We are considering announcing a ban on everything containing hemp just to be on the safe side. We are going with the rabbis on this. People should remove all cannabis and hemp from their homes."

Levine said one of the party's main arguments for cannabis legalization was biblical references to it.

"We would like to ask people... if it's listed as not kosher 'for Pessah,' [doesn't] that mean it must be kosher the rest of the year?" said Levine.

http://www.reason.com/blog/printer/119408.html

 

My brother always votes Ale Yarok

Anyhow... I think that ganja is not kosher because it is not grown under a rabbi's supervision and is not "blessed" by one and so on.

Doesn't bother me too much, I can't get stoned on passover because I ain't got no pot

 

That reminds me of a story.

From Wrapped in a Holy Flame by R. Zalman Schachter-Shalomi p. 27-28

 

i sit with israel... smoking a j under the old oak tree

 

sorry ...i never stand for Isreal.. am not hating jewish ppl .. because not all of them reprsent the policy of Israel ... am never gonna support it .. ever

 

" Israel is our homeland - promised to us by God (in the Torah) and the only place we can go that we will not be persecuted" I think this is a problem. If i said that my God says that Irael is not a real country and it should be erased from the map, how honestly in logical terms can you counter that when you say something like that? This is the problem with Jews and Arabs.

 

The contingency is against anything the government Israel would do, to ME. The need is for more wealth to the power and thereby the peace is determined by just that. Now the western world at last is seeing its due in a recession of the economy.

 

I actually went to a Standing With Israel rally about 4 years ago. Held in the local park. I went for the jewish cooking not the message.

Most of the people within this movement are clueless as to zionism outside of the religious meaning.

They have no idea they're feeding the beast that will someday be their downfall.



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That's funny. Jewish cooking and the Jewish message, would it be so wrong to see them as one and the same?

What are you talking about?

No, Really. Please explain, with as few words as possible, what you are talking about. I can't say I know what your words mean, but it seems you believe your understanding (a very dark vision, at first glance) is both complete and true.

I may be wrong, but it sounds like undefined, dark, fearful belief, a questionably unwise basis for any kind of behavior. I am always open to an unexpected, positive learning experience, however.

Teach me something good.

Peace and Love

 

There are 2 kinds of zionism active within Judaism.

The first is the desire for a homeland for people of a common belief. This is what 99% of Jews identify with. The other 1% is the problem.

The second is an political extremist movement. It wears the robes of religion but masks it's true agenda. It portrays itself as defender of the Jews. These are the people who control not only the Israeli government but also much of the US federal government.

These are the same people who served up their brothers and sisters to the nazis. Zionist collaboration with the nazis is only now beginning to be made public. http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html

These people are every bit as dangerous as the nazis ever were. Worse really, because many of them now fill important seats of power around the world. They've spent the past 100 years laying a groundwork for something thats not too far off.

A one world government under their control. The New World Order.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." -- David Rockefeller Sept. 23, 1994.

"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions." -- Henry Kissinger, World Affairs Council Press Conference,
Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg.

We should all worry.


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There will always be people like you who subscribe to the 'Elders of Zion' philosophy. Israel is no more power mongering or violent than any other country, its actually quite peaceful. There is no Zionist conspiracy, there definitely is a Mormon conspiracy, though (thats another story). Israel wants what every peoples movement has wanted since the existence of the empires, a free state. Jews are an independent people, and I have always supported the separatist movements of any group, Basques, Irish, and Zionists. The Zionist cabal theory has been perpetuated by whites, xenophobic power mongerers,who are threatened by ethnic independence.
A friend of mine says that he supports jews, but not Israel. 'What was wrong with Palestine?', he says. Its people like this with an extremely limited grasp on the situation that cause such a hubbub about it. My guess is many of you posters have little to no first person contact with the struggle, your only information is through biased sources. I suppose I am biased myself, but its through experience.
My grandfather was a pioneer in Israel, he started a kibbutz with a handful of Jewish youths. Twice he was blown up in the fields by land mines left by terrorist scum, one of the blasts killed a seventeen year old with him. There is NO validation for actions like these, mindless acts of terror. Its a war being fought by cowards against innocent civilians. The army and politicians' hands are tied by ignorant protesters who are being lied to. I honestly dont understand how anyone can support a movement based on terror, its only because you havent experienced it yourselves that you can remain blind to the injustice.
If you really want to understand, realize that the war is not about God. It never was. There is nothing Holy about mindlessly slaughtering your neighbor, religion is merely a tool for persuading people on both sides. I find it hard to conceive this conflict, I still have such a limited view, but if you examine the facts its clear that one side will always want peace, and one will always benefit from war.

"If tomorrow the Palestinians laid down their arms there would be no more fighting. If the Israelis laid down their arms, there would be no more Israel."

 

Very well said...

The quote really says it all...