I Support the Gradual Abolition of Meat.

Sure... and Al Gore said there won’t be any arctic ice left by 2014

 

the timetable may not be cast in concrete, and i doubt the quote is accurate, but the point he was making is absolutely legitimate.
and the current plague is not entirely unrelated. mutations occur more frequently in a warmer climate.
populations can move further inland and infrastructure can be rebuilt, but what happens to their food supply when rising seas get into their farmland aquifers is the big problem.

 

They retired Gore as the global warming mascot because he's old news. Then they hired Greta

 

@Ajay0

Exceptional individuals have always existed, and will continue to exist in the future. Wikipedia at least makes no mention of Vishwanathan Anand's diet, though him being of Indian heritage, I've no doubt he might indeed be vegan.

However, this was specifically stated of Ramanujam: "Ramanujan was plagued by health problems throughout his life. His health worsened in England; possibly he was also less resilient due to the difficulty of keeping to the strict dietary requirements of his religion there and because of wartime rationing in 1914–18. He was diagnosed with tuberculosis and a severe vitamin deficiency, and confined to a sanatorium." Meaning he probably worsened his health problems by being a picky eater.

See, I always approach meat consumption from the perspective of nutrition. It's not some macho bullshit thing to me, nor a proof of my manhood. I hate being hungry, and I refuse to starve myself of things needed to keep my body going. Survival comes first. Vitamin pill bottles don't grow in nature. Meat does. Simple as.

Also, it's kinda unfair to use these tropical cultures, such as India, as examples. They have an advantage that us Nordic nations do not: a year round warm weather, that enables year round farming, and planting and harvesting of crops.

Here, in the arctic regions of the world we're at the mercy of winter. 6 months out of 12 every year, when nothing grows. A vegan eater during these months is completely at the mercy of foreign imports, if you want something exotic, like bananas, oranges, pineapples or soya. Things that grow naturally in India, but not here. And these imports will have to be delivered with vehicles, such as trains, trucks and ships that will pollute the air when operated.

If you wanna talk abount indigenous cultures, there's a very, VERY good reason, why the Sámi people of Lapland fish and herd reindeer. It's the most convenient food source in a corner of the world, where -20 degrees Celsius (-4 Fah) average winter temperatures will kill all edible plants until the return of the months of April-May, where you then have a window of approximately 4 months to plant and grow next winter's grain and potato harvest. If this fails, you have to import your vegan friendly foods from foreign countries because, well then you either eat meat, or you eat nothing at all, because there is nothing else. And summers around these parts are very fickle. During the summers of 2015, 2016 and 2017 harvests failed in many places, because temperatures were cold for the season, and there was a lot of heavy rain, which rotted the grain in the fields.

Now, just 200 years ago this would've meant large-scale famine for this region. But, thanks to foreign imports, and thanks to the meat industry, our current generations averted this horror. Cow feed, processed from grass, was much more resilient to the unfavourable weather conditions that were prevalent during those years.

The point that I'm trying to make here is that for a lot of people, it's not what they want. It's what their conditions will allow them. The further up north you will go, the colder it'll get, and the less success there will be for a strictly vegan lifestyle. Unless, of course, you wanna sustain yourself on eco-unfriendly foreign food imports.

Also, when you mentioned the Brahmins in regards to meat eating vs. intelligence. This is all well and good, but I was talking about a much longer time in the evolutionary scale. Roughly around how long it took for us to go from apes, to cavemen, to current day modern humans. While the Brahmins may have been around for a few thousand years, that's still at the end of the roughly a million year timeline that it took for us to go from apes to what we are now. Meaning that the evolution of our brains was already pretty much completed by the time the Brahmins came to be, and so their dietary choices didn't have much of an impact.

Uhh, yeah... I think you're being a bit too optimistic with that estimate. Even IF western nations suddenly decide to collectively drop meat consumption (protip: they wont), cultures such as China sure as hell won't. Traditional Chinese cuisine uses pork for example as an ingredient in many traditional dishes. And China has made it very clear many times that they won't do what we tell 'em.

Then there's also the matter of the pet food industry, a point I'm surprised has gone unmentioned in this thread. Your typical house cat, and those zoo lions for that matter, are biological carnivores who NEED meat to survive. A cat will NEVER survive on carrots and salad, and attempting to force something that stupid will be animal cruelty at the other end of the spectrum.

Right now I just don't see how meat would ever get abolished, gradually or otherwise. Trust me, there will always be demand.

 

I see you're not trying to refute themnax actual point. Is that because you can't or because you agree?

 

^^^ I agree , if people want something they're gonna get it . some will grow their own , or buy from someone who does . even if they make meat illegal you will probably find it on the black market . someone will supply it somewhere . just like everything else we "can't" have.

 

Growing your own or buy local would be ideal anyway. Moderation is key. A gradual decrease in overall consumption is neccesary. Abolishing it altogether is not neccesary. Besides, as long as we consume dairy it can not be sensibly abolished anyway; as the meat is also a byproduct of the dairy industry.

 

I don’t agree with Nax. Debating religious zealots gets tiresome. Climate change alarmism is its own cult

Bill Nye is a televangelist

 

I think it's a good idea (RE: OP) but I know it won't happen. A plant-based diet is healthier according to my primary care physician!

 

Omnivorous diet is best for most.

 

Ramanujam and his ancestors were strict vegetarians. He neglected his health due to his passionate interest in mathematical research and there were occasions when his wife would feed him. His time in England however worsened his health, due to the lack of a balanced vegetarian food or such restaurants and especially the cold which he was not used to. The war period also aggravated his condition.

The point I am trying to make is that your assertion that meat increases intelligence has no basis in facts considering the case studies of Leonardo da Vinci, Ramanujam, Anand, and the Brahmins and Jains.

Rabindranath Tagore and Bernard Shaw were Nobel prize winning litterateurs who were also vegetarian.

I don’t prescribe a vegan diet at all, and instead focus on a well-balanced vegetarian diet aided by health foods and supplements.

There are ashrams in India which uses unfertilized eggs as food, on the reasoning that the egg can provide necessary nutrients, and the fact that it is unfertilized means there is no killing or violence involved. It’s possible that meat will be grown in the lab without any fear of contamination, and this can also be used as a possible source of nutrition.

I think these are alternatives that can be explored.

 

fake meat

 

reduction in the availability of meat has currently a very high probability,
thanks to management in the meat packing industry having ignorantly disregarded employee safety in regard to the current plague.

especially, canned, frozen and packaged meat products.

 

the problem with meat isn't with meat. its with what it takes to provide a meat intense diet to an already excessive human population. in other words feed lots,
which are just as problimatic a breeding ground for human suseptable diseases as any chinese wet market.
might i refer those who doubt to bill mahar's video essey on the subject.

 

right now there are more deer than when the first Europeans came over to this continent , we could eat venison 'cept the wildlife management wont open more hunting seasons. the deer herds are large because of over management , and also they are having cases of wasting disease , a prion disease

 

they like we, are also overpopulated do to the reduction and in some cases elimination, of many of their natural predators.
yes it is unfortunate that our egos seem to insist we have to think of ourselves as "managing" everything.
we don't live in a universe that was created for us to 'manage', whatever any belief tries to claim to the contrary.
population growth ceases to be desirable, when it reduces the diversity of other species.

as for hunting, you kill it you eat it, would be the reasonable law, were it not for how extremely out of balance is the population of our own species.

 

found the link, to "america's wet markets", pretty much everyone is starting to notice now.
everyone except the big R who seem to want to create a universal genocide by making everyone have to work in conditions that put them at risk.
anyway, incase anyone hasn't seen it already anyway: