I Support the Gradual Abolition of Meat.

there's a difference between making a big deal to not eat meat, and eating a hell of a lot more acorn soup then deer meat. i don't think too many who ate only meat survived very well either.

 

you nitwits ain't taking my hamburger

 

isn't that supposed to be the line about prying from a cold dead hand?

 

Reduction may be advantageous - but total abstinence see consequences.

 

I couldn't care less if everyone else eats meat. The hatred I see towards vegetarianism recently seems wildly over the top. And some of what you guys are saying.. is just not true... Like, eat meat.. but when you make stuff up about it, it undermines what is a perfectly legitimate dietry choice.

I'm one of the healthiest people I know. I have always been a vegetarian. I don't like "holier than thou" vegans either.. but as I said.. making stuff up, like "All vegetarians are unhealthy" is just absurd.

No health problems here. I'll keep you posted.

No.. protein is needed. Protein is protein. Nine amino acids. You can get them all from plant sources, or you can get them from meat. Perfectly healthy and fine to do either way.

Eggs. Vegans have a harder time if they don't eat eggs. But there is nutritional yeast. I'm just pointing out it is not "ridiculously difficult" to replace, just something that must be done.

Just protein. And you can get all nine from hemp seed or quinoa. Easy.
BUT! if you want to get it from meat, fine also, without needing to pretend it's the only easy way.

 

There was Paranthropus, a cousin to the evolutionary line that led to modern humans. A study of fossilized tooth enamel suggests they favored a plant diet. They did go extinct about one million years ago but that doesn't automatically suggest anything wrong with their diet.

Early Meat-Eating Human Ancestors Thrived While Vegetarian Hominin Died Out

 

What you said about butter and saturated fat was plain factually wrong. If you are going to make factually incorrect statements, someone is going to call you out. When I first came to HF in 2004 I pointed out to a poster it is trans fat you need to be concerned about not saturated fat. She was quite appreciative me doing this. If you are talking about your blank posts. I can see one deleted post where you made a personal attack. I will give you a heads up. if someone makes a personal attack against you, just report it but don't retaliate. I think editing out your posts while not in breach of the posting rules, is a breach of netiquette.

I have changed my diet because I had to,
Personal development.

What does my subtitle say? I eat a large serve of vegetables every day, smothered in butter.

Show me where I engaged in name calling.

 

that's what I'm talking about , meat plants and veggie farms close down and slowly products disappear . then when they finally open again there is another pause as they get caught up again . how long a period this will be , we don't know

 

Interesting article 'Tumbling' - a variation of/in diet - my first thoughts being well there was an extinction, however, the observation of contemporary humans living longer and increased meat consumption does make a valid point

 

I have been plant based for a decade, and I almost never think about protein, b12, or any other nutrients (except Vit D since I live in a colder climate). If you eat good food, you don't really have to worry about this-just like with someone who eats meat, if they eat nothing but junk they run the risk of nutritional deficiencies, but if not, then it is nearly effortless.

 

i'd rather not have to not eat meat, but i'd also rather not have to kill anything in order to do so.
what anyone else eats or doesn't eat, is like what they go to bed with, where, when or how often, which takes no skin of me.

 

Within a short time we'll be cloning replacement organs that won't be rejected because they're a direct match for the failed organ.

The same technology can grow a perfect ribeye steak every time because the DNA came from a prime cow bred for the purpose. But the cow didn't have to be butchered. The steak will be grown in an incubator while being infused with a vegetable substrate. It will be beef, without having to kill a cow. And it's made of vegetables (sort of).

So many of our old arguments will be phased out by time and technology. Some will remain (like making it illegal to color margarine yellow in Wisconsin).

 

Ironically it will probably lead to the extinction of the domestic beef cow

 

Only because we'll be eating REAL Bronto-Burgers by that time!

 

did you save all her posts on your computer or something? they were all edited away by the time i logged on saturday morning.

 

She was back posting this morning... Those posts are now gone.

 

@Driftrue

To get the required amounts of protein from plant sources, you'd have to consume pretty sizeable servings. If you eat nuts, you risk gaining weight, same as meat, because nuts are pretty high in fat. Soybean would, of course, also work. But soybean production is harmful to the environment. Regardless of who eats it, humans or cattle, you'll still be chopping down tropical rain forest to grow soya.

Soy also doesn't naturally contain many vitamins, or minerals. They have to be fortified with these separately in an industrial process. Same goes for nutritional yeast. All the B-12 that it contains has been artificially added to it. Now, let's assume that shit hits the fan (like it's actually close to doing now that COVID-19 is ravaging the country), and the commercial food processing chain collapses. Where are you going to get your processed foods then? You literally cannot avoid meat eating at that point. The alternative is to starve.

This brings me to another point. We, today, have the luxury of choice. We have the luxury of feeling sorry for that cute little lamb. The people of old didn't. Food wasn't abundant to them. They had to eat what was there. The alternative was to starve and die. They couldn't afford to ponder all these moral dilemmas. From this perspective, meat consumption has never been wrong, because the alternative would've been to go extinct. It's not only a matter of whether you should or shouldn't. It's also a matter of available supply.

Doesn't negate the fact that you still have to eat at least something that came from an animal.

But how long, before this becomes cost effective to feed the masses? Right now it's both prohibitively expensive, and still pretty experimental.

 

not huge servings, just a very diverse diet. it is possible to eat healthy and meatless, just not for me, entirely satisfying.
a diet with less meat then usians typically consume, with a lot more of the non-meat sources of protein, sounds like a good balance to me.
and while it would not immediately end the killing of cows, pigs and other meat sources (most of my meat now comes from chickens and fish, because that's about all i can afford),
it might make possible a reduction in the feedlot industry, which i seriously cannot believe represents contented cows.