I want to learn to make LSD! (or any psychedelic)

Discussion in 'Drug Chemistry' started by NimbleThinking, Jan 18, 2010.

  1. Black_Lotus

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    My 18 year old friend can make DMT, anyone can grow shrooms if they read enough about it. And LSD is pretty much impossible... Makes you respect it more, it's like a sacrd gem that only very knowledgeably chemists can make. Leave that to the professionals, but if you ever come across a vial of Lucy, that's a good portion of your life! Sell it, trip it... I really wish to come across one and have the money! That'll be better than making any drug, no labor and incredible experiences a few drops at a time.

    Also, there's something about acid that makes you feel like you'll never be caught, it's so impossible to detect- no smell, taste, sight...
     
  2. p0ly

    p0ly Senior Member

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    i've had a vial of lsd sitting in a box in my garage for ages and i don't even think about it. personally the dmt upstairs i hold in much higher regard :D

    haven't ingested any tryptamines for quite some time now.

    as for the OP no LSD in scotland. bwhahahahahahahaa

    people who say there's NO LSD where i live just don't know the right people. There's fuck loads of LSD everywhere in the world.
     
  3. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah traditionally there is a very special vibe and group that surrounds LSD production. People on the high end rarely get caught, and no one talks. It's not an easy circle to infiltrate. and one chemist could make millions of hits if so inclined. It's not as easy to do this as it used to be due to the DEA watching supply purchases but we are talking about very smart chemists here. They find a way. There is tons of good acid in my area now, it's made a comeback.
     
  4. wileysroadie

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    I suggest getting a mushroom kit and growing them yourself. If you do it right, you should be able to get a couple of flushes of shrooms out of single kit that will amount to a couple ounces dry, which is more than enough to trip and share/save for later.

    I've never done LSD, and I'm also interested in the experience, but I don't think that 'making' the drug is the best approach...
     
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  6. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Uncle Fester is a meth cook. From my understanding the LSD synthesis he lists here is crap. But I am no chemist so perhaps you could make it work.

    If you know enough about chemistry to make acid, you can figure out what you need without a book anyway I am sure. IE how to make the precursors into what you want.
     
  7. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    well he has albert hofmann's original synth, other hofmann alternative synths, and even more still legitimate lsd synths.. there is also a legitimate synth for tartaric acid and diethylamine. best not give your take on a book you've never read.
     
  8. theprosperone

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    Try extracting Dmt. Search whatcha's STB tek, this will be the easiest method. There are others with benefits and drawbacks but whatcha's is the easiest. DMT will rock your socks off.



    Also if you're seeking a longer lasting psychedelic like shrooms or Lsd, look into taking DMT orally with an MAOI. There are many teks for this as well but please read up on how to be safe with MAOIs. You can do this easily with syrian rue as an maoi. Do your research though.
     
  9. mayb2l8

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    alexandar shulgin/@erowid.com. look around the site and you can find the steps in detail of how MDMA and other halucinogins are cooked...sorry don't have the actual webpage address
     
  10. trippa

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    My advice is to get some books on the topics of interest to you ; but forget about Lucy .
     
  11. Pillihp

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    I think to suggest for a kid who's never done shrooms or acid to try extracting dmt is like telling a kid who's never shot a gun to press his own ammo.

    Lsd is easy to make, there are many different processes in which to do so. None are the right or wrong way.

    But making lsd can be as simple as cwe's. Obviously subbing ether and alcohols for water.

    My advice, google it. Find which way is easiest/most convenient for you (I'd suggest making capsules for your first time). And make it rain, so to speak. One thing I will say is that chemicals involved in most process can be dangerous, and unstable. Safe dosage is supposed to be around 800 micrograms, so try to keep that in mind. And if you eventually get some LSD, listen to Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon.
     
  12. valdigurka

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    loooooooooooool, making shrooms???? pick them from the ground.

    Liberty caps should grow in scotland
     
  13. Mr.Writer

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    Um, you must be talking about LSA. I'm just confused. LSD is hands down the most difficult drug to manufacture in the world. It is nowhere near the difficulty level of a CWE. You are not extracting LSD from anything. It is created synthetically using extremely specific and expensive equipment. Make capsules of what? The active dose is a crystal that is almost invisible to the naked eye. You'll likely absorb multiple doses just synthesizing it, like Hofmann did. Safe dosage is 800ug? Do you realize that average blotter has something like 20-50ug on it? Hofmann's first intentional dose of 250 micrograms was, in his own words, "Very, Very, Very strong!"
     
  14. Colimon

    Colimon Cheesus Christo

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    You can go ahead and make YOUR LSD, and I can go ahead and get some REAL LSD. :)
     
  15. Ergative

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    Nah, the "most difficult drug to manufacture in the world" is, once again, a case hyperbole and of people being told that it's really hard and then using their imaginations to embellish that difficulty and then engage in a specific use of language (such as excessive exclamation points, unnecessary textual emphases on the words "difficult" or any of its synonyms, a supercilious and condescending "I can't believe you think you can syn LSD!!!!11! You stupid fool!!!1!" attitude to make it seem even harder and make the OP feel cretinous and dolty.

    Though in point of fact, the hardest part of synthesizing LSD for anyone other than an oaf with an IQ below room temperature is A) getting the precursors and B) tricking yourself into believing something so risky and ultimately pointless is worth the time and energy expended even contemplating it.

    There are so many clandestine chemists with the expertise to synthesize LSD, but choose in lieu to make other psychotropic compounds because of the prohibitively annoying to obtain preliminaries and the immoderate amount of boorish and daffy people one would necessarily encounter with trying to acquire the necessary precursors to even get the project started.

    DMT, mescaline, psilocybin, and even the much harder to syn LSD analogue LSZ* are more viable and lucrative alternatives for chemists wanting to challenge themselves than LSD.

    Not to sound impudent or dismissive to that handful of highly talented (and equally quirky) individuals, but the only people in the world who are manufacturing LSD on a large scale at the present time are doing so under the erroneous assumption that they're caring out some greater good for mankind or that they're operating under the auspices of some transcended entity that promotes LSD and its use. In other words, they're flaky, eccentric, delusional, and perhaps even a little batshit. No types of people you should find adequate enough to be revered or extolled, in case you find yourself doing just that.



    *Lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide
     
  16. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    you'll have to excuse mr. writer. the only reason he doesn't syn lsd is because he's just not interested in doing so. rest assured he's smart enough though. everyone else is clearly incapable. but if he does accept you.. thank you're lucky stars because you're in the club!
     
  17. Mr.Writer

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    Not sure where that ad hominem is coming from, but I am both nowhere near smart enough to understand LSD synth and also not the least interested in attempting it!

    Let's be real here, did anybody actually read the OP?

    LSd is the most difficult (popular) psychedelic in the world to synthesize (ive never even HEARD of LSZ [did you like that accentuation?]), that is not really a debate at all. Now, Ergative, maybe you have a point in saying that just because it's the most difficult, doesn't mean it's that difficult. But I tell you, most people wouldn't understand how to synthesize 2c-b without a chemistry masters, and LSD is much more difficult than that, so I really feel like it is you who is downplaying the difficulty here. OP is some college kid who likes getting high with his buddies and thinks he's gonna cook up some acid in his basement. This is not possible, end of story. I don't see why you're making it sound like "oh my GAWD it's so EASY, shut your pie hole mister writer, you're just a naysayer! Anybody can do it!"

    Machinist, are YOU smart enough to synth LSD? Are any of your friends? Is anybody you've ever met? The answer for me is "not even close".
     
  18. FlyingFly

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    ^LSZ is some LSD analogue, I don't know much about it though.

    Btw, if you ever meet anyone who can make LSD, treat him well, praise him and pray to him before sleep :D
     
  19. Ergative

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    Oh, sure. It would be nothing short of asinine to claim anything to the contrary. My contention, however, isn’t that an LSD synthesis is easy, rather it’s that the difficulty of a successful LSD synthesis is overstated to such a degree that it’s commonly mistaken as hyperbole or just plain bullshit exuded out of an uninformed and mislead know-it-all’s mouth by anyone with sufficient erudition in organic chemistry. Not that I’m assuming that one should care if people think they're retarded, but it should give people an incentive to educate themselves rather than to take the words of anonymous people on the internet as authoritative and veracious and make themselves look like daffy, gullible, and intellectually lazy fools as a consequence.


    Regarding LSZ (known formally as Lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide or, as per the IUPAC’s chemical nomenclature, (8β)-8-{[(2S,4S)-2,4-dimethylazetidin-1-yl]carbonyl}-6-methyl-9,10-didehydroergoline)––it’s a relatively obscure analogue of LSD that’s interesting because it’s supposed by some to be more potent than LSD itself. What’s also alluring about this compound is its difficulty to synthesize; presumably requiring a greater expenditure of both time, knowledge, and laboratory dexterity to pull off than LSD, too. The fact that it’s (putatively) more potent than LSD means it constitutes what is a group of hallucinogens more potent than LSD or Salvinorin A (of which, LSZ is hitherto the only known member), having an astounding ED50 in the vicinity of 10^-5g, or 10's of micrograms.

    Without the intention of divulging too much, I can definitively say that LSZ is being manufactured as we speak in the U.S. and in multi-gram quantities (certainly no less than ~8 grams or so; a hell of a lot for a drug administered in two-digit microgram quantities). Surely, many of the people who ultimately acquire the stuff unwittingly assume they’re just doing LSD. Little do they know...



    And I tell you that those people need to just hang up the lab coat and go home. If one needs a master’s degree in chemistry to synthesize something as profoundly easy as 2c-b, they’re either doing something wrong or are cognitively impaired.



    What’s impossible, precisely? That LSD can be made in a basement, or that this individual could ever, under any circumstances, synth LSD? I daresay both suppositions are wrong and show that you’re too pessimistic. Are you familiar with the apologue “one has to crawl before they walk”? If you want to synthesize LSD, I’ll tell you how to gain the necessary expertise in chronological steps. First, assess the difficulties of, say, 60 different compounds with syntheses of varying difficulties. Second, make a list of those compounds in ascending order in terms of difficulty (that is to say, the easiest goes first on the list whilst the hardest, LSD in this case, goes last). Third, synth or extract each chemical on the list (again, easiest first!) ~10 successful times. After the easiest compound can be synthesized with almost automaticity, one would then progress to the second compound on the list, etc. So, extract some DXM, then some DMT, make some meth, synth some PCP, then some MDMA, etc. One will inevitably garner enough laboratory deftness and chemical literacy in the process and through time to synthesize the hard stuff. In point of fact, this is only theoretically plausible and was just devised during the typing out of this paragraph; therefore, aspersion and criticism isn’t warranted.


    But, the moral of my discursive, belabored, unnecessarily punctilious response is this: anything possible can be accomplished with enough tenacity, dedication, time, assiduity, intelligence, and financial wherewithal. Even an LSD synthesis is no exception to such an efficacious formula of success.
     
  20. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    2c-b synthesis seems like a worthy project.
     

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