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Man both are lame lol
But true, the clown thing is, in fact, much more gay.

 

ha.. ha.. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... 50y/o juggalo.. last time that dude saw a pussy was when he was pulled out of his mommas loose vag

 

"Every individual in the world has inalienable right to his free will. A saint will not encroach upon that independence."

Everyone has their own way John.

It's our differences that make this place interesting, beautiful, horrible, or any other adjective you want to throw at it. Just because something is not your art doesn't mean that it is no art at all.

 

LMFAO!!! XD

 

personally i can find more respect for a wigger than i can a juggalo

 

That's great man. Your respect is for you to distribute however you please.


(I feel like this is an appropriate time to mention that I am not an ICP fan whatsoever.)

 

If listening to overweight white men with clown masks on rapping about raping dead bodies in a graveyard is artistic, I must have been born under a bad star lol.
Josh, if you think I didnt take what you said here into consideration, I dont think you fully grasped my point.
Then again, I dont think anyone will. That's sort of, well, the point.

 

But why not? What absence is present that doesn't make this example art, while making something else count as art?

 

Because this kind of philosophical debate runs circles, just like the question "How can I have egoless enlightenment if I desire it?"
Something which preys on the negative aspects of a society's ills in order to turn a profit is not art. It's arrogant theivery.
I can call sawing microphones plugged into intense delay art too, but it is really just stupid.
True art never dies, monkeys acting like clowns will not linger as anything other than a black mark on humanitys confused attempts at productivity bridging the gap between creativity and manifestation.

 

Well, from your standpoint, even if you can't appreciate their music, you at least recognize their artistic talent for preying on the negative aspects of a society's ills in order to turn a profit. I'm not sure I could pull off arrogant theivery, I'm just not artistic enough.

So, what's an example of "true art" that will never die?

 

farting on a snare drum

 

In music? Bach, Liszt, Taiko drumming, chanting, Beatles, Robert Johnson, Scott Joplin, any of the pioneers of sound which resonated worldwide and continues to do so and, in fact, grow with time.
As for painting, film, philosophy, religion, politics, science and every other human expression, the same struggle can be found but what remains as definitive is those who either mastered an expression, or created an expression.

 

All good things must come to an end. (in this case, as soon as your reservoirs of methane and nitrogen are depleted)

 

steadyy flow of taco bell and bushes baked beans will cure that

 

Do you really think that these things will never fade? Hell, they are already in the process of death. How many people do you know truly appreciate the music of Bach and Franz Liszt, or even know who those people are?

Unless of course, you are referring to some sort of legacy they left behind that influenced others who influenced others who influenced others so on to the point that the devotee doesn't even know who the original master was anymore. And if that's the case, then even any sort of inspiration that musicians of the caliber of Bach and Liszt had ultimately wasn't original; rather just a secondary interpretation of everything that has is and has always been. They were influenced too, it all builds on top of what is already there.

I'm sure even ICP could add Beethoven to their list of influences in some round about, chain-link way. It's out with the old and end with the new pretty much. Bach and Liszt will be destroyed by the ravages of time, just like everything else us monkeys do, so what separates them from anyone else?

 

Yeah, until the chronic diarrhea robs you of your life force.

 

You mean, the billions of people in this world who know who Bach, or Mozart or Beethoven are? Or at least can recognize a song instantly?
Or do you mean the hundreds of thousands of people in orchestras or as solo performers who perform these songs in front of millions of people every year?
Shit man, Philadelphia alone plays these things at least once a month lol.
As for the Beatles, take this into consideration :
"The reception of 1 surpassed all critical and commercial expectations. It sold 3.6 million units in its first week and more than 12 million in three weeks worldwide, reaching #1 in over 35 countries, including the United States and the United Kingdom. It became the fastest-selling album of all time and the highest-selling of 2000 and of the decade so far. It also became the world's biggest selling CD (not album) in the world."
Far from the process of death lol.

 

I think "a billion" is being a tad generous. I mean, just look at your contemporaries, the ICP and the people who listen to their music. That's when you are looking at the majority, not virtuoso artists specializing in classical instruments who have dedicated their lives to music and have more or less made a career out of it.

Regardless, Bach and Liszt are still relatively new compared to our history as a whole. And that's why I intentionally avoided the Beatles in my last post. But they'll fade with everything else, whether it be by replacement of new and more invigorating artist, by total lack of appreciation of the average mind, or when we eventually blow ourselves up and get sucked into the void. :cheers2:

 

So is instant global communication.

 

haha.. this whole arguement reminds me of Nick Swardson's stand up about the music his grandma would put on saying "oh this used to be my favorite song" *la de da doo doo* and when nick gets old.. "ah lemme put on one of my favorite cd's from when i was a kid" *yo bitch muthafucka slut ***** "ah.. i love this song.. you know.. you're grandmother was a ho"