If America Attacks Iran - Will You Take to the Streets?

Hi FedUp,
I commend you for having the same viewpoint as the anti-war, hippies, straight from the late 60's.

A lot of these fuckers who post in these forums, mostly younger people have no clue what there talking about and have no understanding of the mindset of the anti-war, protest movement of the late 60's.

As the old Fish song goes, I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag, just substiture Iraq or Iran for Vietnam, and we got the same old bullshit lies told by the military-industrial-government complex rearing it's ugly head again.
Lies that caused death and suffering on both sides.

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Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Vietnam (IRAN)
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam; (IRAN)
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam. (IRAN)
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out and get those reds
'Cause the only good commie is the one that's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam; (IRAN)
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam. (IRAN)
Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
To send your sons off before it's too late.
And you can be the first ones in your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam. (IRAN)
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.



Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

 

So, Fed up American, do you feel the same way about WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam and Gulf war 1?


And by the way, what did you mean by this statement specially the part in red?

They would all be taken care of AFTER all Americans are taken care of.

 

Five months later... *the sound of crickets*

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23451338

Seems it not just the USA worried about Irans nuclear quest.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080303/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_iran_nuclear

 

stop suckin down so much oil then maybe there will be no need to steal irans , on one hand you use more oil/energy than any other country in the world(by far) and then complain that your army is getting you more of what you need its pretty funny

 

In Iraq, did the US steal Iraqi oil?
If we did so, why aren't we driving around with cheap or even free gasoline as opposed to the rising levels we see nowadays?

What the government did in Iraq was only bleed American and Iraqi blood and drain the American treasury.

Practice what you preach.
Turn off your computer to save energy,

 

I said yes, but peacefully. I would actually be attending the pre-attack rallies and such to show my support. I mean, I know that if the USA attacks Iran, there is going to be the question of "Is Canada going to help?" like there was with Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc, and in that case I would be at the anti-war rallies once again.

 

seems like Iran is enjoying all the attention... why won't they let the inspectors from the IAEA just do their job? then they should shut up the U.S and if they have nothing to hide then whats the problem? they could so easily avert this whole mess and have the sanctions lifted off them if they just let the inspectors come

 

well what could bush say after the IAEA went in and completed their inspections and found it was only for peaceful purposes? the fact that they are blocking them from going in is the odd part

 

I am 100 percent for inspectors going in and Iran declaring their full intentions. I am 100 percent against any military action against Iran. However, I understand the necessity for saber rattling and view current US statements as exactly that. The US will not be invading or bombing Iran any time soon.

 

Bush has not shown the world how weak the US military is. The fighting style we have seen in Iraq is the result of the US defeat in Somalia. Clinton showed the world that the US can be defeated using guerilla tactics and urban combat. Clintons "cut and run" policy in Somalia showed that the greatest military power on the planet will retreat if they get bogged down in an urban combat situation that produces US casualties. It became clear that in this type of situation the US military might and technology is useless.

What is seen in the struggle against the insurgency in Iraq, is exactly how difficult it is fighting an enemy using unconventional warfare. Suicide bombers, taking positions in mosques and schools, using civilians as cover fire, plain clothes fighters, etc... What complexed the problem was the inbed reporters and the desire for the coalition forces to minimize civilian casualties. The enemy knows that the more unpopular the war is, the better the chance of the US withdrawing. (A tactic modeled after vietnam) Whether it is US or Iraqi, in their minds the more death the better.

There was a point during the occupation that the US drasically started changing their tactics. With assistance from Israeli military advisors, the US started setting their own ambuhes and taking offenses. It was not until the Iraqi people started helping the US that the violence started drasically dropping. What the Americans are told is the "surge" is a point where Iraqi militias started rooting out the fundamentalists and began settling down the sectarian fighting in favor of securing their own country. The Iraqi people were/are very skeptical of the US (first Iraq War) and after a lifetime of oppression, were not immediately ready to stand up for themselves.

What Bush has shown the world is the resolve of the US and the military. Retreating from Iraq and bowing to defeat will not only hurt the Iraqi people but the image of the US. I was against the invasion, but understand that the US needs to finish what it started.

 

Only somebody uneducated and uninformed in history and war tactics would NOT believe that. Tactics are something that have been studied since the beginning of war. Ever hear the term "used as pawns"? There are tactics in chess as there are tactics in war, and they are studied and used to defeat your enemy or opponent.

The tactics that were used by insurgents in Iraq (fundamentalists) have more recently been seen in Afhanistan. Somalia was a blow to the US. An indicator of how the US can be defeated. As was Vietnam. Saddam knew that. bin Laden knew that. Jamal Khashoggi recorded a dinner interview with bin Laden while he was living in Khartoum. Khashoggi was there on behalf of the Saudi govenrment. They wanted him to publically claim that King Fahd was a "good Muslim" (to counter the Fundamentalists claims of the corruption in al Saud). During the interview bin Laden started boasting about how al Qaeda could drive the Americans out of the Arabian Peninsula. In the recording he stated "We hit them in Aden and they left. We hit them in Somalia and they left again". It was clear, the tactic needed to cause a withdrawl of US troops.

Clinton showed the world that the mighty US, Army Rangers and Delta Force, could be defeated by a ragtag militia with RPG's and AK's. How can you deny that that event helped changed the way the world viewed the US and how combat tactics would evolve? Is it because it puts blame on Clinton and not Bush? The Iraq war has showed that these tactics against the US are successful. The difference is that Bush is showing the enemy that the US will not retreat. Victory in Iraq has the opportunity to reshape the image that "Black Hawk Down" displayed.

Setting politics aside and looking at history may be a better way for some people to understand topics they feel strongly against.

 

By the way, I am not "blaming" Clinton as to the outcome of Somalia. I am countering Fedups politicizing of this issue. So in the interest of name dropping, I am saying that Bush is turning the precendant that Clinton set with witdrawing the troops out of Somalia.

 

the only response you ever have is oh its stupid or oh thats bs or oh its government crap, you can never actually create a counter argument for anything

 

That is exactly what I said. I also said that Bush has shown the world that the US military has resolve. My point is that after Somalia, the world saw America's weakness. The enemy saw how America can be defeated, as in, draw them into guerilla style urban combat until the American death toll is so high that they withdraw (as in Somalia). If America does not withdraw, they are not admitting defeat. The fighting goes on. If the US had pulled out of Iraq a year ago, it would have been another example of how America can be defeated. They didn't and there are signs of improvement. If the US can leave Iraq on its own terms, it will have shown the enemy what the most successful tactic is, but the US will not back down. They will remain in the fight until victory is had.

You are correct in that Bush has shown the world what the weakness of the US is. I just don't believe that he has shown that the US is weak. After all, the US did take Baghdad in just 21 days

 

the problem is the enormous cost of the war, its a huge drain on the economy and military, as thousands of troops constantly have to keep guard against small unpredictable attacks and establishing security againt them becomes a real burden, not like the insurgents gather up and form a division and attack. its taken longer than WWII in afghanistan and yet there hasn't really been that much progress, Hitler took over all of europe and lost it again in that time period... there isn't going to be a solution for Iraq, or a definate end, just have to keep on building security and troops are going to be needed for decades, but you know these radicals won't let up, they've been attackins Isreal for years(not that i like them very much but it shows their determination), dunno if the public will go along with it

 

well no one is really disputing whether or not starting the Iraq war was a mistake or not, the real debate is what do we do with the situation at hand

 

The first step is to root out the foreign fighters who see this war as the new front against the imperialist Crusaders. This has begun. The Iraqi people are the only ones who are able to do that, and they have helped. A large portion of the Islamist fighters have been killed, captured, or have left Iraq and regrouped in Afghanistan.

The next step is to quell the sectarian violence. This will only be accomplished when the power struggle is neutralized. Each party is afraid they are going to be rubbed out, as Middle Eastern history has shown. I am personally optimistic. I don't believe that it will be easy, but I see hope and determination in the Iraqi people. Iraq has the opportunity to prosper.

Afghanistan is a tragedy. There has been much accomplished, but much more should have been done. If the energy and resources that were put into Iraq were put into Afghanistan, I believe the country would be blooming. I am also optimistic about Afghanistan.

Now I am sure the pessimists have their google engines roaring, preparing to post stats on opium production, violence, etc... I am well aware of these things. I am also well aware of the progress that has been destroyed (schools, hospitals burned, etc..) There are people in this world who don't want to see progress made in these regions, and there are people who are unwilling to admit progress. I am not one of those people. Try seeing this as a humanitarian issue and not a political issue and maybe something positive CAN be accomplished.

 

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