If Bush gets reappointed.

Yeah, isn't it great. Although I really don't understand how Bush can be so close in the polls, if so many hate him. It must be the Swift Boat crap. C'mon Americans- get a clue!

 

In regard to Mui and the comment about "our troops":

Most of us have heard of the excuse called "The Nuremburg Defense." At the trials of the Nazi war criminals in Nuremburg, many of the accused defended their actions by claiming that they were just following orders. It seems a bit odd that the state revenue agents, known as law enforcement, often use this exact same excuse when citizens complain to them about being shaken down. What is implicit in this arrangement is that armed agents of the state must often abandon their judgment and conscience when they are given orders to follow.


Nothing illustrates this better than war and its aftermath. It is not difficult to know who to shoot at if your enemy has a uniform on. But 20th Century warfare wasn't like that. In the 19th century, officers did their best to avoid battles that would place civilians in the line of fire. Today, civilian deaths are simply written off as collateral damage.


My conclusion?

Soldiers are killers. Plain and simple.

If you kill for a living you are a hired thug, not a hero.


And "I vas just following orders" is how Himmler & Goering defended themselves.

 

I support the troops to the extent that I don't wish them ill. I support the Iraqis fighting against them to the extent that I don't wish them ill, either. They both have a cause and neither of the two groups are willing to realize this and just quit fighting simply because it's not getting either side anywhere.

The Americans bear down on Iraq. Some Iraqis get mad and revolt. More troops come to supress the revolt. More Iraqis get mad and start a bigger revolt. MORE troops come to supress the larger revolt. EVEN MORE Iraqis get mad... Why can't the morons in power see this? Besides the fact that voilence is a bad thing, this tragic cycle makes everything worse for everyone on both sides.

I'm a regestered Green scared into voting for Kerry. Yeah, I know. But Bush has been hell on a stick for his first four years, what do you think he'll do when he doesn't have to worry about appeasing the public to win another term?

 

I wouldnt call defending one's homeland against a foreign invasion of aggression and the installation of a puppet government aimed solely at furthering the big money interests of the invading power to be "revolt".

Once again, how many warmongers will call themselves "terrorists" for taking up arms and attacking how and where they can when its the streets of small town USA ripped apart by foreign tanks and troops and hailstroms of bombs, people pulled out of their homes in the night to the wails of their terrified wives and children because some military intelligence (oxymoron indeed) list has them down as "terrorist suspects", etc. (not to mention being holed up in some converted US prison and tortured whilst having the news reinforce the lie that you are indeed a likely terrorist for the ready acceptance of THEIR smug all believing couch potatos)?

Our doctrine of supposed goodness and democratic light rings pretty hollow to those who have crawled out of the rubble of our destructive "liberations" to find their spouses and children burned, blown to bits or crushed in the debris.

Yet all the warmongers can say is how wrong they are for being "anti-American". how about how terrible we are for demonstrating repeatedly decade after decade in country after country just how "anti-World" we truly are by presuming our military might is the answer to all their ills.

Two wrongs never made a right.

Such simple and pure truth, but truth that requires deeper national self reflection than our "good guy" myths seem to have ever equipped us (as a nation) to be.

So be it, let the "what's good for big business is good for America" mantra continue on until it all comes down on the heads of the little guys and the money men have flown off to enjoy their offshore spoils leaving the rest to scramble for whatever crumbs they can find. Apparently the staus quo is all that matters.

 

I would do it with you but my hubby and I decided today that no matter what we are just out it is just too much. We have kids and I am pregnant and this is all just too much. I have been looking for jobs here ( for my hubby) and most of them have no insurance, no benefits and pay cuts. Not to mention the war the crap etc....Looking into other countries has me finding jobs, benefits and housing assistance. Plus we have ALOT of family in Ireland. If push came to shove we could just stay with someone in one of their houses. My husbands Mom and Dad were born in Ireland so that gives him easy citizenship. We might not stay in Ireland but we can travel or find somewhere else in the Union if we need to. He actually already got the process started. I think this is a dead end and I am tired. I have fought long and hard my whole life being raised by a hippie mom and growing up poor and such and I have had enough! My husband feels the same way you do about being " forced out" but our children have convinced him otherwise. I just don't see how Kerry will be THAT much diffrent I hate to say.SO sad. Well.I want to jump ship before it sinks. If we do change our minds count me in.

 

Bush will probably be re-elected with or without your help.


But if you insist on helping Bush by perpetuating the reactionary monkey-mind, then you have no one to blame but yourself.


OK, so you can't escape the great causal-chain, but don't pretend that it don't exist, or that your not a part of it.


Politics is a limp-dick, why play with it.

 

You're an idiot.
I'm so SURE all the people who intend to vote him back into office will definitely reconsider doing so because YOU decide not to eat.
Good call there, chief.