If God Exists...

To be fair themnax, even though protecting the rest of the world from our own destructive practices is something I find worthy to get behind as well, I don't see in what way it is absolute that it should be that way. In essence it does not matter if we causes other animal species to go extinct or even if we destruct ourselves Yeah I know that may sound a little disturbing. But it doesn't change the fact that I would like to see my fellow humans try to keep animals like tigers, polar bears etc. etc. as long with us on earth as possible (and not just in zoos either). Panda bears are where I draw the line though

In short: we give our own meaning to the world and what matters. Most informed humans might care more about bees than tigers and polar bears.

 

please do cite an example, but be more concise than your usual communications

 

With all respect, Asmo, no criticism intended, Panda's aren't bears. They're related to raccoons.

 

Only in ancient mythology.

 

I stand corrected.

 

it matters because our own existence depends on it. the complex interaction of all the elements of the environment are where everything basic that makes our own existence possible comes from. if there were no vegitation we would have no oxygenated atmosphere to breathe. yes, its really that basic. all the faith in the world, won't stop anyone from suffocating in a very few minuets without breathable atmosphere.

yes, loosing a few species, and others mutating and diversifying to take their place, that is part of the natural process. but crowding everything else out, that endangers ourselves.

a wise predator doesn't consume the breeders among its pray, nor prevent them from having a habitat in which they can breed, if it did, it would starve for lack of them.

 

actually you are completely wrong.
In every instance found, in the absence of natural predation, any and all species, both plant and animal, will over-exploit their resources until they ultimately kill themselves off.
so humans are no different than other species as all will over-exploit resources if afforded the opportunity.

 

^ and of course that is indicative of naturally evolving animals emerging from an uncaring universe governed only by survival of the fittest. A being worthy of the title 'God' would be able to create intelligent beings without spending half a billion years on violent mass extinctions and creations eating other creations alive.

That's why this line is so brilliantly sarcastic;
"From MY PERSPECTIVE, EVERYTHING is fine and progressing as it SHOULD".

The average human is so cluelessly ignorant of reality that they are oblivious that their word EVERYTHING never intends to encompass ALL THINGS. When it is almost always used to indicate ONLY the FEW THINGS important to one's ignorant little selfish world. Oh, isn't it great and good and wonderful that EVERYTHING is going as it SHOULD, for the cheetah, for the predator with claws sunk in flesh? Many dinosaurs were also predators once. If they were able to conceive of plans, would they agree things went as they SHOULD have? SHOULD, being indicative of some GOOD moral plan. GOOD, I'm told, is something I can't comprehend, by people who don't comprehend simpler concepts such as EVERYTHING.

 

Survival of the fittest then? Doggy dog.....spare no expense at winning the game...I know....that is the game....bring it on....LOL

 

and if my hands get tied behind my back.....well, that is not I that did that....here......

 

GOD exists ... [SIZE=12pt]If we deeply study this universe, we see that every thing culminates in a Creator. He is the ultimate and every thing is working under his guidance. If we look at different stages of human birth and growth, we see that as we go backward, we find we are moving towards weaker and weaker stage. Eventually we shall find that the growth starts from a clot of clinging substance. So human beings who themselves start from such a weak stage, how can they be their own creator. So it proves without any doubt that human beings are not their own creator. We see that if we start studying the birth process minutely, ultimately we will find ourselves at the limit of human knowledge. At that stage, all the worldly knowledges will reach their limit and will be totally exhausted about what had actually happened? So that is a stage where divine hand is working. Every scientist have to believe that all the processes of this universe ultimately reaches a point where their knowledge becomes inadequate or insufficient to describe them. Once somebody asked a bedouin that what proof does he has about the existence of God. He replied that if he saw excrement of a camel in the middle of a jungle, he could tell that a camel had passed through that jungle. Then after seeing so many different creatures in this universe, couldn't he tell that there is some creator of them? [/SIZE]

 

Multiple non sequiturs.

I try very hard to not bother responding to nonsense.

 

I don't think you made any serious effort in understanding what he actually tries to say.

 

AHH, but that is where you are wrong in your assumptions concerning me.
When I say "from my perspective" my perspective takes into account much. much more than you can fathom, trust me.
and you are still wrong and your presentation of ideas is akin to a 2nd graders comprehension of reality.

Your conception of "good" or "bad" really doesn't have jack-shit to do with the workings of the universe or evolution. Get over yourself already.
It is you my friend that can't seem to break out of your own muddled conception of things mainly because you have such a HUGE stick up your ass over Christianity.


I honestly don't know why I bother engaging you in conversation about such stuff. I have more informed conversations with my dog.

 

While nice and poetic, may I suggest you get your info about reproduction and related things from a medical or science source rather than the Quran.

 

Can you do anything other than rant like a fool when your beliefs are threatened?

Trust you? Fuck you! You've provided zero explanation to clear your apparent ignorances. I think you're just pissed off because somewhere in that hot head you know that you're wrong and you don't have one rational leg to stand on. Act a fool all you want boy, but your not fooling me.

 

as I said, don't know why I bother with such an immature and juvenile individual such as yourself.
The only thing you have ever offered as any type of support of your position are ridiculous and juvenile statements that simply show your ignorance concerning Christianity and religion in general.

Until you grow up and can get past the toddler Sunday school comprehension of these topics, I see no reason to waste further keystrokes responding to your inane ranting.

 

IS THIS UNIVERSE CREATED JUST BY CHANCE?
Some of the people believe that this universe was created just by chance and they also try to prove it through science. But God says that all those things that happens just by chance, they don't have such an order in them. Different colors are used together to make a picture. If we just throw the paints on a paper, will they ever make a picture? Houses are made of bricks, but if we just throw the bricks in a pile, will they form a house? It is true that sometimes some of the things are made by chance, but a close analysis of the universe clearly refutes this 'by chance' theory. All right, for a moment, if we believe that matter was created by chance, and this world also came into being by chance, I will ask the readers to study deeply the creation of human beings, Is it possible that such a perfect being was created by chance? See the stars, the planets, sun etc. and then the creation of day and night. Every thing just fits so nicely in a finely woven net, doesn't that orderliness speaks of a powerful creator?
Even in this world we can easily judge the power and wisdom of a creator of anything by closely examining his creation. A good picture is painted by an excellent painter, a powerful computer is made by an intelligent team of researchers. Looking at the orderliness of any things tells us that how intelligent its creator is. God has given to every being an appropriate body and shape, so that it can sustain itself. God kept the food for trees in earth, therefore he gave roots to the trees, so that they can get their food. God made flesh as food for tiger, therefore He gave strong nails and teeth to the tiger, so that it can kill its prey and eat it. God made grass as food for horses and camels, therefore He gave them long neck, so they can graze it. God created lungs for human beings, therefore He also created air, so that they can breath. Human beings depend on water, so God created Clouds, so that they can take water to them. Such an enormous and perfect order could never have been created just by chance? Only a super-being could do it.

 

but again that gives rise to separateness.......new viruses pop into existence, too, all of the time......and some mutate from old viruses to better adapt to new conditions.....are more virulent to antibiotics, etc....
If we look at things as a whole.....then life creates itself.

 

and just what did I say to elicit this?????

and all the stuff you mention I also see yet do not need to apply such mystery to it all.
Gravity helps shape the stars and planets and sets them in orbits.
evolution is responsible for the many variations we see in the world.

What you are expressing is gratitude and awe, both rightly so, but one needn't cling to fanciful tales of creation in order to appreciate the beauty and grandeur of existence and all it entails.
Nor does one need to abandon the concept of a Creator in order to understand and appreciate the actual science taking place.