If u dont like it lump it

It's not from Church. It's the New King James Version.

The King James version is the most accurate english Bible, The NEW King James version just took out all the Thys and thouts and wilts and thees and stuff.

Now, my Luther Bible says the same thing (in a different language). You know that the Luther Bible is very accurate.

 

reckon.

I cry myself to sleep.

 

How about this...Do you people really believe that one day out of mud, a male was created, and a female from his rib, and they had sex and made the human race?

Some things, which are more believable, there is evidence for. Evolution. The Big Bang. Science in general. And then there's religion. You're instructed to believe some outlandish story as an explanation for the way things are, or you'll go to hell. And now that these stories are outdated, christians are all in a tizzy to keep god everywhere. In our schools, our pledge, out money, our government, and our science, which they're working on now.

Do you want to know why people are pissed at christians? It's because they expect everyone to believe these stupid stories and to conform to their twisted standards of society. And when that doesn't happen, they try to force it down people's throats.

That and they're funny lookin'. (Ba-ZING!)

 

The problem I have with Christianity is mainly philosophical; that is, how can a god that is omnipresent, omnicient, and pure love send everyone who doesn't BELIEVE in him to hell? First, the idea that belief is what saves you is ridiculous to me, lots of Christians believe but are assholes, worse is that a god of love would torture us eternally for something so simple as non belief. The punishment far exceeds the crime.

of course, I simply take most of Christianity as a metaphor: heaven and hell are states of mind, and ressurection/being born again is realizing our oneness with "god" (equivalent to buddhist enlightenment). So I'm already in hell, and i'm already in heaven. And I'm already also enlightened...just haven't realized it yet

Of course, the hypocracy and judgmentalism (is that a word?) of Christians also irritates me. My dad, for example, is always reading some christian book, or the bible, and is one of the most judgemental, narrow-seeing people I know. He reads the words, but, based on how he behaves, he seems to miss the message. Literal reading isn't helping anyone, neither those who read literally or the (unfortunate) people around them. I don't see happier, more peaceful people due to it, I see dogmatic-minded people who see it as their way or the highway (hell). Many Christians today are to spiritual people what the Pharisees were to Jesus. Too focused on the letter of the law to really understand the spirit of the law.

EDIT: RYU, in my bible, it doesn't say "hell" it says "Gehenna" which was a garbage dump outside Jerusalem which was often on fire. It never was meant to mean eternal punishment. Besides, Matthew 10:28 which you quoted says the soul is destroyed there. If anything, "hell" means utter destruction, not punishment. At least as Jesus used it, other people later twisted his words to mean punishment, because they were small people inside and desired those who disagreed with them to suffer.

 

The problem I have with christianity is it's falsity and insistence that the human race believe not only the lie of their religion, but their every lie that has followed since.
Lie #1 ~ jesus existed. Check history.
Lie #2 ~ God is love. Check history.
Lie #3 ~ christianity is a religion of love. Check history.
Lie #4 ~ the bible is inerrant word of god. Check the errors.

 

history supports Jesus' existence.

Just because people are complete screwups doesnt mean God doesnt love us or want our love in return.

to be a Christian means to follow Christ's example, if people are calling themselves Christians yet are killing people, they missed a few things about Christ's character, and should call themselves something else.

and where are these errors? you gotta explain that one.

 

probably true. Why would they refer to Him as the Son of God, or saviour if they werent Christians. But after they crucified Him and the sky went black and the veil between the temple and the holy place tore from top to Bottom, those Chief officials who were scourging Him and hysterically gambling for his robes a few hours ealier were singing suddenly singing another tune and announced "Surely, He WAS the Son of GOd!"

good point my friend! That's why i dont support ANY denimonation. Different interpretations of the scriptures caused different denimonations and we all think we've got it right. Well Jesus never specified before He left "ok guys it's Lutheran or nothing, alright?" if he had, then we'd better al be Lutherans. But He didnt because even though we have differences, GOd wants us to put them aside and focus on what's important...unity. And unity in the Churches is a difficult one. Jesus told us countless times to not let our differences cause division. I know in my town, we have one Unity service a year. YAY. Now the people can see that we can all pretend to get along, once a year. It's bogus. But it's not enough to make me doubt my Faith in Christ. That's why we are to put our trust in God and not man. Christians, although they know the basic truths, cannot seem to get it together, together!

yes and that Nasty Jack wants to destroy the church more than anything else!

well like i always say, dont follow the followers because you never know who's playing dress-up.

 

More believable because it is easier for you to understand something of less complexity (theory of relativity, genetics) than it is for you to grasp something of more complexity (God controlling all things).

 

but you do have a spiritual side, do you not? You are spiritual in some ways? If you can answer yes, then you can admit that you have another "sense". Feeling with your hands is different than feeling with your heart. and before Libertine says the heart only pumps blood ... i mean the heart that, if you saw a lost homeless child alone crying, would move you to feel compassion. You might argue that's emotions, but that's ok. God is a God of emotions. He made us that way because HE is that way too.
And we dont DAMN people. We are simply passing on the information. The only one you have to take that up with is God. The reason we try and change people's beliefs is for no reason other than the fact that we really believe it's thr truth and want to share the good news. That's all. It's like taking the hand of someone we know is going the wrong way and joyfully saying c'mon buddy! look what i found up ahead!

 

Oh, I believe in the Big bang, and Natural selection. But there's not a bit of evidence that I see truely supporting evolution.
If there's any that supports Amoeba+Amoeba= Protozoa, go ahead, I'll take a look at it.

 

thankyou so much!

 

Show the contortion that you assert is historical evidence of jesus!

 

That's not quite how evolution works. Evolution is the result of natural selection. But that's a topic for a different thread. Campbell had a nice long argument with us somewhere on here.

 

http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php

 

No offense man, but first, most of those people lived long after Jesus died. Some may have been able to talk to Jesus' contemporaries, but some were far too late for that. So what I see happening is there's this new religion, with the prophet-god of Christ being worshipped. Now, if you ask a non-Christian about him, they know nothing about him, but if you ask a Christian, well, they're biased because they have been told he existed and believe in him. There was certainly no historical record the historian could look at, just word of mouth. If someone like Paul had "invented" christ*, then proceeded to tell everyone about him, then eventually you have a group that believes he existed and thus, a human life (and an extraordinary one at that) has been created from nothing.

*Paul, in his letters (the earliest Christian documents), seems to be speaking less about a human man, and more about a spirit man; that is, his Jesus was more of a literary device for describing the spiritual battle between good and evil. Jesus didn't exist in the flesh, he was a spirit and lived in the spirit world. Keep in mind Paul never met Jesus and that his writings are much earlier than the Gospels. I'm not necessarily saying Paul invented Jesus the man, I'm saying he may have had a different idea entirely, a spirit man, not a living one.

Now, there's two sides to this issue. One, it's going to be hard to prove the existance of a common man living in the first century. Most of the population was illiterate so documents aren't what they are today, and who cares about some common man living in the outer provinces? On the other hand, Jesus was an amazing person with healing abilities and other astounding gifts (coming back from the dead would probably rank). Wouldn't such a life have been well documented, at least once he started preaching?

http://www.bluehoney.org/Jesus.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

 

i sure hope that never happened.

 

i knew you were joking but man, these days you never know what state dead bodies are found so it didnt sound unbelievable. pretty messed up shit goes on this planet sometimes.

 

Haha, nice.

If you want to know where that came from, go here. It's an animation by Don Hertzfeld called Rejected. Make sure you have a fast connection, though, 'cause it's 90 MB. I'm spoiled by college connections.

 

thanks! actually i just deleted it cause i saw it was a dead link...i will fix that!

 

Here we go again...

I don't "BELIEVE" there is "NO GOD". I DISBELIEVE in any "GOD".

I don't know how many times we have been over this. Atheism is NOT a belief system!!!! It is a LACK OF THEISM. Pure and simple.

Stop listening to your Christian propagandists and find out the TRUE meaning behind atheism before you go with theirs.