If you knew you were not going to heaven, would you still worship God?

How about "knew you were going to Heaven on appropriately performed indulgences". Does one then have the god to worship for just gratitude? In the Catholic Church there are such guaranteed forms of blessing for indulgence.

 

Well everything stems from god if anything that he has created turns against him its not the creatures fault its gods. And he’s all powerful why would he have such place as hell in he’s kingdom?

The problem of evil that’s what doesn’t fit u know yeah ppl say its all because of free will, god gave us free will so greater good could be accomplished that’s apparently out weighs evil like compassion… yet we still have natural disasters and there is shit louds of evil to out weigh.


If I knew that I was going to to hell I would destroy myself with some sort a big ass microwave oven something that would destroy the patterns of my magnetic field aura.

Surely we could destroy our sole if it is within our physical body. Other way all the souls are curtly sitting in haven and are connected like the matrix thing to our bodies. That’s kind of creepy that we could suffer for eternity based on a simulations record.

 

God creates souls that never asked to be created... puts them on this planet of temptation and suffering... and if they so much as fail to acknowledge his existence he condemns them to eternal hell!?

Their are no words to describe how much of a sick, fucked up, evil, sadistic bastard God is.

But God does not exist so it makes perfect sense... Religion created God and religion is a man made tool to control people and wage wars.

 

I'm mostly atheist as well, but I see religion as more of a set of fake stories to take what you will from. If you go by every word in the bible, it doesn't apply to today. It isn't -meant- to be blindly followed. It also isn't meant to -really- promise heaven. Heaven is what earth can be if you live your life like jesus. Somewhere along the line people fucked up the translation and heaven became a real place you actually go to when you die instead of a place you have to create yourself

 

Sorry about that, I had meant that to be a response to the previous poster who suggested that the Christian God wasn't worth following because of Hell. Judges 19 was meant to compliment that...

 

This has to be one of the most ridiculous questions ever posed.

 

I think He is supposed to be responsible for hell. God (supposedly) made everything and the devil is actually in hell too. Not sure though.

To be honest, I couldn't see the point in a hell, I could understand the purpose of purgatory as a temporary punishment before you can go to heaven. But one of the main purposes of punishment is to rehabilitate, so what lesson would you learn with no chance of salvation. Also, I think the punishment would be too severe for any sinner, if someone was a murderer or whatever, died at 70 and then went to hell then he would be spending literally unlimited times his 70 evil lifetime on earth in hell. Also some of the shit you can go to hell for is ridiculous, for example being gay or worhsipiing another god. Also, you'd think that if there were a God so powerful he was able to make literally everything in existance, then he wouldn't be so petty, and could get over a few people being gay, or worshipping another god or not going to church. If He were that powerful why would it bother Him that much? I'm not sure whether I believe in God or not but I do definitely believe in some sort of afterlife.

 

if the fundementalists are right, then the buddha is burning as we speak. then again, he said that everything was already on fire, so I don't think he would notice. that being said, if I had proof that the judeo-christian god was real, and that I am, in fact, going to hell, I would immediately begin meditating to divorce myself from desire.

 

i'm not convinced that being worshiped is the most important thing to the kind of god i believe in.

 

Ah, so that's why all those people have been dying in hideous ways and puppies drowning and such, he's busy helping you out with your hunting.

 

I'll second that ... Opium for the masses

 

I could worship God just for my taste of subjectivity of accepting the world as it is, for what things will become in it For being in a world to become. I mean that his semantics is a real attitude to subjectivity which is overwhelmed by the Subjectivity itself. In Essence no object can successfully prove or show it. The world may become awful actually but that is important to judge at Subjectivity, not Objectivity.

Worship is like that too. How often they say 'Praise the Lord!' out of assured errors in judgment.:2thumbsup:

 

Well said. My feelings exactly.
The idea that we are born in sin and have to bow down and kiss ass just in the hope we don't spend eternity in hell is no way for a man or woman to face life in this world.

 

I thought the point of worship was to kiss god´s ass in hope of not being thrown into a lake of fire.

 

Heaven and earth are two diametrically opposed perceptions of the same phenomena. One effects an unyielding appreciation for the extant, the other regards everything as basically unworthy, that is, certainly subject to depreciation.

The problem is both of these perceptions are mutually exclusive of each other. Over all people are much more enthusiastic for guilt than innocence although they pay lip service to protecting the innocent.

The kingdom of heaven gradually dawns on you as you give up your grudges against the world. First to go, the idea of victimization. Every individual is responsible only for the tenor of their own experience, and in turn, the experience of themselves that they share. No human being is without this inviolate power, although a person can seem to throw it away as though they never had it.

For every wacko explanation for misunderstood phenomena, there is usually some sense that will restore a sense of proportion. The human being is a transducer of energy through focus.

 

There is no hell, not even in the bible.

As for me, I don't know how I could worship a G-d that would create such a place. Even just the Yahweh of the OT is not a very kindly deity. How can you worship something like that, except out of fear, which is all that religion is about. It is a control system based on fear.