If you weren't there, you're just a neo-hippie

Swagger Jaggers haahhahahahaha!

You fuckin' gangster

 

They are not even fake, they're only considered fake by other people who feel strongly about what a hippie should be like. Perhaps they don't even think they're hippie themselves but are labeled by other hippies as fake just because they like to flash the peace sign, wear a Che shirt or have long hair and smoke pot. They aren't hippie if they don't wanna be (some just have the bad luck of matching the stereotype ) or they look fake to someone who takes the label a bit too seriously/strict but are one because they truly feel like one. That they don't meet somebody's personal description of what a hippie is is the problem of that somebody, not the so called fake hippie.

Why is it either that? You can also let anybody think about you what they want, since they probably will anyway

 

I don't like to be called hippie neither, I don't think if you do it's disrespectful to those who fit the label though. Nobody fits only one label 100% anyway, everybody can be placed in lots of categories. Also, I think a person who likes the idea of peace and bashes someone who fucked him or her over can be a real hippie perfectly fine.
Labels are useful for categorizing and generalizing but for not much else. Anyway, a person will both always be who (s)he is AND fits in certain labels. It's just is the case.

 

That's just stupid. I was there in 67,68,69,70 - sure at the time we didn't say we were hippies - but when you look back that just what you were. Peace, love, nonviolence, tolerance - and for most - mind expanding drugs.

Did I ever get a id card saying I was a hippie. Hell no. And if these guys have the right frame of mind they can be just as much hippies as us. Labels suck - but compared to most other labels - hippie ain't too bad.

 

I don't know if this has been said but second hand clothes are MUCH cheaper than corporate, and with a little extra time and skill you can customise them yourself!
However, I myself have trouble affording organic food because of being in college, and I still try sometimes, although I have to attend the supermarket mostly.
This is indeed sad, but I try to shop for organics and I don't buy meat products. I surely do hope there will be a cheaper alternative wich doesn't have chemicals in it and is of a fair trade, but what I meant to say is that it is nearly impossible to live completely organic and fair when attending college.
You can always try though, never let it get to you, there are too many people saying: It's just me, why should I even try to improve the world buying good products? etc.. This is the problem, people are losing their ideals.
Keep trying!

And stop nitpicking about what is a hippie and what is a neo hippie.
Gees
Just be happy being who you are, and don't try to exclude others.
If you feel good with your "crowd"go on doing so.

 

Actually, this thread is about nitpicking so let's do it here (agreed, there are a few other threads about this as well ). Anyway, what I liked to point out in this thread is that you also can be a hippie without making your own clothes or buying second hand clothes. It does not matter to me. The only problem lies with the people who make a problem of it because they feel their label is abused, or because they're scared of being associated with the 'fake hippie' because they share the same label.

 

After going through this whole thread I'm surprised with all this talk of hippies and the hippies of the '60's compared to today that not one person mentioned the real reason and unifying force of the hippie movement. Maybe a little history lesson is needed.

Between 1945 and 1954, the Vietnamese waged an anti-colonial war against France and received $2.6 billion in financial support from the United States. The French defeat at the Dien Bien Phu was followed by a peace conference in Geneva, in which Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam received their independence and Vietnam was temporarily divided between an anti-Communist South and a Communist North. In 1956, South Vietnam, with American backing, refused to hold the unification elections. By 1958, Communist-led guerrillas known as the Viet Cong had begun to battle the South Vietnamese government.

To support the South’s government, the United States sent in 2,000 military advisors, a number that grew to 16,300 in 1963. The military condition deteriorated, and by 1963 South Vietnam had lost the fertile Mekong Delta to the Vietcong. In 1965, Johnson escalated the war, commencing air strikes on North Vietnam and committing ground forces, which numbered 536,000 in 1968. The 1968 Tet Offensive by the North Vietnamese turned many Americans against the war. The next president, Richard Nixon, advocated Vietnamization, withdrawing American troops and giving South Vietnam greater responsibility for fighting the war. His attempt to slow the flow of North Vietnamese soldiers and supplies into South Vietnam by sending American forces to destroy Communist supply bases in Cambodia in 1970 in violation of Cambodian neutrality provoked antiwar protests on the nation’s college campuses.

From 1968 to 1973 efforts were made to end the conflict through diplomacy. In January 1973, an agreement reached and U.S. forces were withdrawn from Vietnam and U.S. prisoners of war were released. In April 1975, South Vietnam surrendered to the North and Vietnam was reunited and the last remaining American soldiers left Vietnam.


1. The Vietnam War cost the United States 58,000 lives and 350,000 casualties. It also resulted in between one and two million Vietnamese deaths.




It was the longest war in American history and the most unpopular American war of the twentieth century. It resulted in nearly 60,000 American deaths and an estimated 2 million Vietnamese deaths. Even today, many Americans still ask whether the American effort in Vietnam was a sin, a blunder, a necessary war, or a noble cause, or an idealistic, if failed, effort to protect the South Vietnamese from totalitarian government.




The Draft was started in 1969 so you didn't even have a choice in the matter;



It is easy to sit and debate the why for's and what if's, to stand up and denounce Wal-Mart and "the man" on an internet forum and take a mighty stand when you aren't burying a friend or relative on a weekly basis.

Am I the only one here old enough to still remember the flags at half mast, the funerals, the nightly news reports showing the carnage and death taking place daily. I was 12 when the war ended, but I still have clear memories of those images, and of my older sister crying her eyes out numerous times because a friend or school mate came home....in a bag.

So you guys can talk all you want about hippie values and your indignation about the world, but remember and pay respect and homage to the reason the whole "Hippie" movement started in the first place.
It wasn't about peace, love and drugs, it was about war and the atrocities associated with it.

Makes bitching about Wal-Mart seem pretty silly now doesn't it.

 

Regardless of who can be described as a hippy, and who may not be, let's all take a look at the bigger picture

young hippy chicks are hot :hurray:

 

Like any sub- or counterculture it becomes stereotyped and a lable sooner or later as much as it just evolves. It was about war and it's atrocities, now it's for some about peace, love and drugs, for others about being green and buying organic and for others solely about the atmosphere of it's heyday and the music. And for some it may be still about Vietnam, it is not forgotten anyway. But all those different focus points is exactly why certain people have trouble with the label.

 

Generalizing and also subjective.

 

I was waiting for that reaction

 

That... is just so right. That is why you're being copied so shamelessly.

 

As is the existence of lesbianism, but I don't mind.

 

Apparently, according to the estimation of the SS, I am coca cola

 

You couldn't pass for Diet RC.

 

By virtue of living coincidentally to the time?

 

I agree with this!
The only Hippie Club Card anyone ever had was a draft card getting burned!



Its funny to see everyone with diverse opinions about being called a hippie. Yes, there are neo hippies, but you can ALWAYS tell a real hippie from a false one by their actions..... not what they wear or drive or say. Which is why its really hard to tell who the real hippies are from their posts online.

 

This makes a ridiculous amount of sense

Society has always needed that... and I'd wager it always will. Unfortunately it is in the nature of most to follow... to conform to one set of standards or another... to adopt a dress code of sorts... to derive some enhanced sense of self because of group identity.

As it is set up now- everything runs on money. As long as the almighty dollar, euro, yen, or whatever rules then everything is fair game to generate it and fads are a marketing dream.

Can't market it? I wouldn't bet on that... ever had a suit of clothes customized? Been measured for a tux? Are you particular in how you like your steak cooked? You know, you can take something very close to you- that nobody else can identify with and have its color replicated in shellac just for you- so you can paint your walls. Burger King's advertising jingle was, "have it your way" for years. How about plastic surgery?

Individualism is marketed plenty.... and in many sectors of the economy.

 

lol you realize this is the hippy land hip forums right?

 

You're a bold man. Although I may not always agree with what you say, I enjoy the way you say it.

You don't lend yourself to formalities, political correctness or ease of feelings.