Igm

you havent gotten any deeper than "there is a god, because he exists. he's right in front of you, all you need to do is open your eyes."

i can say the same about invisible elves.

what answers are right in front of me?

 

Oh.

 

It's true that God is right in front of you. It isn't true that all you need to do is open your eyes, because obviously you see (you read my message) but haven't percieved the truth (that God exists and orchestrates all things).
There is even a quote in the bible about this "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. ' "

Is there a way that you can deduce these elves existence by the way they effect the world around you? You can deduce God's existence through God's actions.

I am not you. God gives everyone an individual perspective. You might not learn of God's existence until you are much older. I didn't even begin to understand God until I was years older than you are now. I said the exact same things you do until I saw enough evidence to support God's existence that I could truthfully say "God exists". I am an anal retentive asshole when it comes to evidence or logic- ask Hikaru.

Another similarity between us might be that at your age, someone who knew of God's existence could have talked to me about it and I would think that they were full of shit because I had not yet gained enough experience of God to understand God's existence.

 

Kharakov...

Occams statement was about the question of god... Not general existance.
There is 'indicative evidence of direction'
But no existant phenomenon called god that we, humanity, have observed.

Occams reason WILL allow him to believe in god.
When god shows up.
Or enough cross-refferenced and non-contradictory second hand
information supports it.
Neither has ever happened to occam.

Untill then...

Occam

 

Hmm. You have to look at all phenomena as a whole to see God.

Perhaps it has and you have not noticed it. God works from within existing phenomena that God has created to show God's intelligence and strength.

There is this cute, slightly retarded looking bird sitting outside the window at the bird feeder. hehehe... It's all big and fat lookin...

 

I was doing some thinking about this thread and while it's still obvious that the author has read a bit of Nietzsche, it has now occured to me that the author has grossly misinterpretted him in the same way most wannabe Nietzscheans do. Nietzsche would have never capitalized "truth" because Nietzsche didn't believe in the existence of one big "Truth". In fact, I think he wrote something like "The first value to be transvalued is truth." The Nazi's made the same misinterpretation like a lot of half-assed philosophers.