ignorant whores.....

Discussion in 'The Whiners' started by Deleted member 17362, Oct 27, 2005.

  1. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    Well IronGoth is right for the most part. :rolleyes: Fascism is about control, right generally equals conservative, traditionally for smaller and less powerful government. :rolleyes:
     
  2. Ash_Freakstreet

    Ash_Freakstreet Hmm.... GROOVY!

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    Well, Fascism is a merger of corporate and government power, it is different from communism because the government doesn't take over the responsibilities of the corporations, beut corporations and government become a single entity.
     
  3. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    Yeah, if the trash were saying "let's idolize Hilter : let's get our s**t together, get educated, get jobs, rebuild and work for ourselves and build ourselves up" that'd be one thing. Pity they latch on to the white power bullsh*t.

    Here's the weirdest part of that. They deny the Holocaust ever happened but praise him for trying to eliminate the "Jewish menace". Huh?
     
  4. Ash_Freakstreet

    Ash_Freakstreet Hmm.... GROOVY!

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    yeah.... idolizing hitler is pretty dumb, especially in this day and age.
     
  5. Soulless||Chaos

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    That really is too bad, as that was his one commendable aspect.. But I suppose they're mostly too stupid to get it.. Whether believe you're inherently superior or not, it won't mean shit unless you actually do something about it.. It's best even if your goal is to dominate, to rather than try to lessen your enemies, to begin with bettering yourself.
     
  6. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    They're not superior people, sadly.

    Mind you, I admire Vlad Drakul as well. Not quite into the impaling and torture stuff, but that man made sure the trains ran on time and people were honest.
     
  7. Ash_Freakstreet

    Ash_Freakstreet Hmm.... GROOVY!

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    yeah, there is no stigma in admiring a fascist leader. I'm a big fan of Mussolini as a politician and thinker.
     
  8. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    do they really? :confused:
     
  9. Soulless||Chaos

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    Oh I'm in no way saying they are, just that supposed superiority is no excuse for not doing your best to ensure such. :rolleyes: That'd be like the US saying, well right now we have the most powerful military, so no need to work on improving it. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Soulless||Chaos

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    Some do, weird conspiracy shit or something. :rolleyes:
     
  11. *Ewan*

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    What the fuck!!

    In htleers germany the factory owners reamined in control of their factories, and he regularly did deals with big coprorations. Mussolini actually said hte early stages of facism should be called corportism.
     
  12. Soulless||Chaos

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    It would begin as corporatism, as eventually the corporations and the state would be one and the same.
     
  13. *Ewan*

    *Ewan* Member

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    I see nothing of a workers revolution there. They're isnt anything communist about a country in which the owners of the means of production directly control the state.
     
  14. Soulless||Chaos

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    The central idea of communism though, is it not that the people are the state? The people own the means of production, therefore the state owns them, t's all about control.. :confused: Capitalism can lead to fascism, as is seeming to occur in the US, whereas communism is a more direct route.. Though anything can lead anywhere.. :rolleyes:
     
  15. IronGoth

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    RE: I see nothing of a workers revolution there.

    You naive fool.

    Communism is NOT about a worker's revolution. It's about a bunch of agitators taking away the guns, the rights, and the liberty of the people in the guise of a chicken in every pot, and then elevating themselves to near Gods while the people starve, and anyone who complains disappears into the salt mines or an unmarked grave.
     
  16. *Ewan*

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    For a start there is no state in communism. Socialism is where the state is controlled by the people. What your describing is, is where the state is controled by the owners of the maens of production though, where are the workers councils? Where is the ability for the state to gracdualy erode. A facist reigieme has nothing that a healthy workers state does.
     
  17. _chris_

    _chris_ Marxist

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    look it wasnt an idealogical debate i was going with, i was just saying hitler was right wing, not left.
     
  18. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    RE: i was just saying hitler was right wing, not left

    Well you're absolutely wrong, there.
     
  19. Soulless||Chaos

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    There is wishful thinking about communism, then there is realism about communism. :rolleyes: How will everyone be equal? How will everything get to where it's needed? :rolleyes: Communism is merely an extremely quick, straight path to fascism. :rolleyes: Capitalism is more the scenic route. :rolleyes:
     
  20. IronGoth

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    Soulless_chaos: [​IMG]
     
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