I'm going to wear the hijab

And I also don't know why you would say-"I didn't chose to convert to Islam". Who did chose then? I'm in the dark here.

 

Because something is a religion just means that somebody believes it. It's fine that they believe as they want, but that does not shield them from reality on the subject of their belief. Islam is a bunch of backwards bullshit, and knowing and saying that does not make one hateful, it means that one's well grounded in reality. She has the right to believe as she choses, but at the same time she does not have the right to be shielded from criticism for believing backwards bullshit.

Yeah, a crutch must be nice. You don't have to take any sort of responsibility for anything, allah will take care of everything, whatever happens is as allah wills it, and anybody who takes into account that you follow the religion of a violent pedophile from 1400 years ago when determining how to treat you and how much to trust you, well they're just bigots, and allah will take care of their asses. Praise be to allah.

I trust you have not read a translated koran (which is blasphemy) and are learning arabic?

No, actually if you radically change who you are in a way that totally compromises your previous morals and that goes strongly against the morals of your friends, them ceasing to be close friends is a positive reflection on their character and courage. If you go from mostly reasonable views to borderline insane copouts involving a violent hateful fascist god who's world has no room for anything but his disgusting beliefs, well yeah, actually questioning their friendship with you is a very responsible and logical thing to do.

I believe she's got me blocked anyway, so she won't read this (because islam can't stand up to criticism, and just censors it's opposition) but I still needed to say it.

 

You can't choose a religion in the same way you would choose which pair of new knickers you're going to buy. You don't look at the texts and say "Ohh I like that."

I have read a lot of relgious text over the years and I used them all to catch up believers much in the same way Richard Dworkin does. In fact having said that, if I was really looking for a relgion to believe in... Well I have 2 shelves filled with all kinds of stuff on Wicca; everything from Janet and Stewart Farrar to Scot Cunningham. (Running around naked and practicing the great rite looks like loads of fun)

It all comes down to knowing what is God.

There is no word in any language that can describe how powerful God is.

If we took the total of all human knowledge and tried to create an idea of how powerful God is... we would fail.

And if there is intelligent life in the universe and we took all of their knowledge and achievements and added it to our own. We would again fail to create a concept of how powerful God is.
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Therefore must understand that God is absolute....
Therefore when you do understand what this means, you then become a believer of God
And when you believe then your life becomes forfeited and the only thing you desire is to praise God.

I have been a muslim for less than a week and I'm in complete shock that this happen to me. It was an epiphany of understanding and at that moment my life ended and God put me where God wanted me. That place is Islam and I now find myself incapable of questioning the will of God.


Thank you for asking this question and being sincere. I don't understand why but for some reason I feel very honored to have responded to it. I guess the appropriate thing left to say would be... May the blessings of Allah be upon you.

 

Alright. Doesn't mean I get it,because I don't. One thing I'd like to say to you ,is that throughout my life I've seen folks get down big-time on drugs or sex or alcohol--I mean down to the bottom and then all of a sudden,they flip and go the religious direction. What I mean is from one extreme to another. You mentioned you were known as somewhat of a party girl around town and it makes me wonder if it is another one of those cases. Obviously ,you can't answer this observation,but I've certainly seen it a lot. With me it was alcohol big time and I was dangerous to myself and others. In a way--my change was similar in that once I took a hit of windowpane L--that was it. I knew I was done with alcohol and was for over 20 years. The same and not the same.

As for me and any religion--I have just never felt it. What I decided when I was 12 or 13 ,that I knew as much about existance as anyone else and that it just wasn't worth worrying about. I won't be the 1st one dead and I won't be the last one dead and whatever is in store for me will be in store for me.

 

Yes a party girl but I didn't booze or take drugs and I'm far from rock bottom.

Sure I've done some nutty things in the past that mostly involved my bum in the air and some man behind it. But believe me I was doing nothing serious that would have made me "flip."

In fact I've got steady work although I admit it's rather boring. My flat is shaping up rather nicely. I have no expenses except my bicycle and food and I have really great daddy, mum and sister. So I'm far from rock bottom. In fact had I been at rock bottom it woud have, as you said, made this easier for me to understand why this happened.

 

lol way to be strong in your belief - by blocking the opinion of anybody that doesn't agree with you. but shit, that's what islam is really good at - censoring others.

that must mean your faith in allah is strong! block the nonbelievers! block them all and feel totally righteous

 

OK. I guess you've chosen to do what you feel you need to do--------but I'll never get any more clear on why folks do what they do,sometimes. Good luck with it. I hope it doesn't disrupt your life in too major a way,especially in light of todays world.--Joel

 

whoa there sally don't get your panties all knotted. im not hateful towards any individual, but certain beliefs are worthy of hatred and ridicule. if you are a decent. moral person and understand islam then you would probably feel the same.

others worthy of criticism:

catholics
nazis
the KKK
child molesters

 

I've done the best I can to explain it based on my experience. All I can say is you need to have your own experience before we could have a common point of reference.

Thanks for the sincere question and the beautiful conversation..

May the blessings of Allah be upon you. (I like saying that.)

 

Yeah,well it would scare the shit out of me if all of a sudden I NEEDED to follow xtianity ,Islam ,Catholicism-etc-etc. I don't know why that is,except maybe I feel I would lose my -SELF. At least what's left of it after--well--let's just say the 60s-70s. Thanks for trying to explain.

 

I must be on the blocked list now. No answer to my question.

 

Don't let anybody here put you down on your religious aspirations. But if you have read thoroughly about this religion and its history and the other religions too, you will realize how incredibly sexist this hijab thing is and how ridiculous the religion itself as a whole is.
I suggest you do a lot of reading first of rational and mentally balanced authors on this subject before making a decision to submit yourself.
And don't listen to your local imam, his mission is to make you submit to this violent and sexist religion with promises of inner peace and finding your way in this chaotic world. And for him you're little more than a target woman to cover up and convert to claim victory and a piece of heaven no matter how his words may be sugar coated.

 

OP, good for you. Good luck on your journey; be this a step towards your destination, or another detour along the way.

I will admit, when I see the hijab out and about, it fills me with terror.

She's made her decision, though. Maybe after being inside for a while, she will see her way out to our viewpoint. Maybe this is just what she needs right now. Maybe she will actually find a fulfillment, and learn to become a representative of good within.

Nothing we have to say will help her journey at this point. Best we wish her luck on her way and hope that it all works out for the best.

 

Really? Do you mind if I ask why?

 

It reminds me of Nazi Germany. Of herds in barns with tags on their ears. Of picking skin-colors to hate. Of futures where thought is governed and emotion outlawed.

Its oppression expressed starkly, circumcision of the body and voluntarily accepted.

 

Remarkably, islam shares many of the characteristics of each of these groups.

 

I was just reading about TamerlanTsarnev's mother's sudden decision to wear the hijab after a much more westernized existence. I'm sure she's happy with her identity change, but forgive us if it gives some of us the creeps. Unfortunate timing.

 

Okay, that makes sense. I was afraid you were going more in the other direction, that you were terrified literally because the hijab is associated with a religion that is associated with terrorism.

But I can totally understand where you are coming from. I had an Egyptian friend that didn't really feel like they were a symbol of oppression at all, so I usually see them through her eyes. She explained once to me that the hijab wasn't really meant to keep women hidden, second-class, oppressed, but more to protect the women from men unworthy of seeing such pure beauty. the way she explained it made it sound nice; it made it sound as if women were very revered and respected.

I agree, however, that it is a symbol of oppression. However, I've never really met a woman that minded wearing one or felt oppressed because she had to wear one. My egyptian friend easily could have taken it off at work or out with friends when she wasn't around her father but she chose not to.

 

there is a grain of respect and reverence in the oppression of women. Obviously it's a complex topic, but no matter what feminists tell you, it's not simply because men are being pigs, like typical men, or whatever. Paraphrasing someone else (a very smart someone else, I think: girlwriteswhat on youtube), if you have one male and 999 females, you could repopulate the world in short order, if you had one female and 999 males.... the continued existence of humanity seems a whooooole lot less likely. That's part of the fact that we're dimorphic species, the genders are actually evolved to fill different roles. Now obviously in a modern society, putting women in the military or having them be caprenters instead of rearing babies is not going to be the end of humanity, so we should have a system that lets people be whatever they want, as long as they're capable, an an individual basis. BUT, there is a real reason for our historical gender roles, and they where necessary until quite recently, some time between the renissance and the industrial revolution, I'd argue, though obviously they'd slowly been less and less needed through history. In fact, when they became less needed seems to have been when some more serious sexism and subjugation began, like the whole "fallen women" thing in the british isles: it was because society had become stable and safe, making women NOT the precious humanity-preserving commodity that they had been, and to try to preserve the status quo, church and state and private individuals began earnest subjugation.

Of course, muhammad was also always a fucker.... but, there IS a very good historical/biological reason for different gender roles, and subjugation became more and more of a thing as settlement and society gradually turned those roles from necessary to survive, to status things. A small group could easily have their roles, and do them, and still be much too consumed with survival to be wasting productivity subjugating anyone or anything.

That same youtuber I mentioned has some great videos about how this situation happened, and how it, in a modern context, negetively effects both genders. We still both are very much under the shadow of our prehistoric roles, and the way society gradually twisted them, and in doing so, fucked up our modern roles and views.

 

At the best of times I'm pretty hard to repress face to face. In the virtual world I think it's pretty much impossible. But thanks for the support

Fear is born from ignorance. So if you're ever curious, I'll be glad to keep you updated on my progress.

Also I truely appreciate the good wishes

Nothing to forgive.

Regardless if someone wears a uniform given to them by some governement or not. A soldier in a tank claiming to be a patriot or a fanatic with a backpack full of death. They're the same and they should be treated like any other criminal would be treated in humain and justice based society

Violence is violence and to harm even just one soul is to harm all of creation. My daddy used to tell me that when I was a very little girl and I still believe it today.

May the blessings of Allah be upon all of you. (I really really like typing that)