I'm going to wear the hijab

I've read many pieces on Muslim culture and Islam. Some supporting, some against. Many pieces by formerly Muslim women, or Muslim women whom formerly lived in an Islamic state (I really recommend Reading Lolita in Tehran on that subject). I've also known a few Muslims and orthodox Jews.

Fear can be bred through other things.

Many attribute that quote strongest with death. I don't fear death because of my ignorance. I fear death because my father. my grandfather, my great uncle, my cat when I was 5, and countless others have died. I don't fear a state of non-being because I'm afraid it will be bad. It won't be anything at all. I fear death because I like being.

I don't fear burning my hand on the oven out of ignorance. I fear it because I know it hurts, I know it could cause a bad injury, and I know that I have a habit of doing it.

I fear the hijab because I know that the future is full of possibility. That radicalization of a nation can happen almost overnight. That oppression and suppression are natural events of humanity; events that can have devastating effects.

I really hope it works out for you. I really hope that you find what you are missing. But I am still saddened and worried any time Islam gets a convert because of it's mission; and because I don't want to be Islamic and I don't want to die. And Islam wants the world to be Islamic; and Islam wants the non-believer to die; even if it's a small portion of Islam that wants this (particularly the latter); it's a powerful portion with much drive and influence.

 

Duck hath layed the smack down.

 

Yeah, don't listen to your imam, or anyone else whom you're interested in, listen to all these online people!

 

its prayer time..

 

The United States enjoys its own bad reputation. Think about it, this is a nation that dropped the atom bomb twice on civilians. This is a nation that's armed to the teeth and has no problem letting everyone know it's going to be their way or the dead way. The entire United States foriegn policy is based on this principal.

And then United States has its own radical patriots. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the USA rubbish about turning the middle east into a glass parking lot or killing sand monkeys. But does this mean that all americans are nutters? .... NO! It mean's you have a nutter problem.


My friend there are 1.5 BILLION muslims in the world. That's 1 in 5 people in this world is Islamic. So statistically there's going to be some nutters. If there was a great Islamic conspiracy against the rest of the world... I asure you we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As for the hijab...
It ROCKS! I can hide my face in public and I don't have to worry about CCTV, idiots of cell phones or even getting hit on. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps we're living in a society that commits a form of surveillance rape on our personal privacy every day?

Oh and one other thing. Today for the first time in my life I had a man hold a door open for me. Wow a little bit of chivalry and my bum was 100% covered.

 

As a child, went to Catholic school. The Nuns were dressed very modestly. So no problems here with those who chose to dress modestly and respecting that choice

 

One more try.

Why not Baha'i?

 

You must live in a nasty area; I've had guys hold the door for me quite often and I don't even have breasts =P

I don't think Muslims are bad. I do think Islam is inherently bad; despite the good and beauty it teaches; there is hatred in it as well. Same with most major religions (Hinduism and Buddhism seem quite alright though..)

It has the potential for good; yes. It has much potential for evil too, though. This is not just in the people; but in the thoughts and writings of the religion itself. Thoughts and writings the good practitioners mostly ignore; but may turn to under the proper conditions of desperation.

I can't understand turning towards a religion with that capacity.

America has much bad to it, this is true. America is not a religion, though. It is a geo-political economic-industrial structure. It is supported by the political landscape of the world; and the sickness is not at the foundation (The constitution is an inherently benign document), but in the world's history and present.

 

Since OP won't answer you I will.

I've looked into that religion a bit once I heard about it a few years ago.It seems pretty interesting. I kind of forgot about it until you mentioned it, ill prolly read more about it tonight.

 

Out of the Abrahamic line, it's the best of a bad lot.
I was Baha'i for a while. But it's all really the same dogma and homophobia at the core. Just a little more scientifically enlightened.
Met some really inspirational people during that time. Folks who had to escape Iran, mopeding across desert, being chased from town to town. One woman who had been in Iranian prison with the martyr Mona. Stuff like that. It was fascinating.

 

You see here is the thing that you accidentally stumbled on..

When any religion becomes politicized it stops being about worshiping God and starts being used as a tool by men of greed lusting for power. To this effect many men that either translate sacred texts or preach them do so with an eye for their own political agenda. Greed and lust for power prey upon ignorance and desperation.

Allah (God) does not play politics....
Think about it logically. What does a force that is so powerful that it can create the entire universe with a thought need to play politics?
The answer is that this force beyond all description has no need for politics. Men engage in politics and it's men that murder, etc.

The only thing Allah (God) requests is that we praise creation.. To do whatever it is you do in such a way as it praises the beauty of all creation. And when when we speak of praise it's really to say "love." Because the act of praising is the act of showing your love.


PS. I use the name *Allah* not as a way to promote Islam but soley because it pleases me to write it.

 

You've got a fuckin' wimpy imam.

Or maybe once you've been hooked for a while it'll change.

But all you have to do is praise creation? Watch this shit:

:sultan:
That's mumammad (praise muhammad, and allah, and such).

Islam demands that I die for that. Not some fanatics, but literally like a billion pepople.

 

That thought is meaningless to a secular mind. I do not necessarily believe that there was a thought that created a universe. I would argue that your thought is based in faith and has no logical justification yet.

I find that men play both politics and religion. And that when political men play politics within religion, and when religious men play religion within politics it is one and the same solution: a formula for control and oppression of the faithless. (Whether it be Christianity in America or Islam in Iran.)

That is what the good Muslims say of Allah; but I have read quotes that have shown me a far different side. If I may quote your most sacred text.

One such line, of dozens:
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

I do want to clarify, to show fairness and for our audience, that though I find Islam more violent than Christianity; the Bible has many lines just as disturbing; despite the source I just posted downplaying them.

I do not doubt your intentions. Just that you are debating this with me in a civil manner shows me the respect you have for your fellow humans =) I am certainly not hiding my distrust of your new religion and you are taking it in good grace.

 

If Muslims are so committed to peace then why don't they purge their holy texts of all violent passages? That would make it impossible for people to use it to support violence. Otherwise those who say Islam is a religion strictly of peace are cherry picking, and allowing others to use Islam to support violence.

 

My experience has been rather abrupt to say the least. From militant atheist to devout believer. This has taught me very clearly that.

• You can not make someone else believe.
• You can not make yourself believe.

A person is either born with faith or something causes them to have faith.

I had a deeply moving experience and for lack of a better way to explain it... I was made a muslim. I was NOT given a choice or a say in the matter. Simply stated in a very overly simplified terms. My epiphany was basically, "I'm Allah... Now you know I exist and from this moment on you're a muslim... Deal with it."

So Why did this happen to me?

I don't have a clue why. I wasn't a druggie or alcoholic..... I never was abused by my parents or raped by some stranger.... I've never been trouble with the law or caused anyone any problems..... My only real crime was a little too much promiscuity but nothing serious. But I certainly don't have any diseases and I'm not now nor have ever been pregnant.

I was (and still am) a free spirit that loves nature and helping people. Trust me if my old self had a choice in what religion to follow it certainly would not have been Islam. In fact wicca probably would have been my first choice whereas Islam wouldn't even have been on the list.

But here I am Muslim and I have NO DESIRE to stop being one.
I want to pray and I want to wear the hijab... In fact I want to wear an abaya.

I know it's absolutely insane and I can't help but wonder if I hit my head and didn't know it. The only thing I can say for sure is that I have never felt so good, so loved and so complete in all my life. (Praise be to Allah)

You must be patient with me in responding because I'm a new muslim. I read the Quran and sacred books of several other religions several years ago. Let me transcribe for you what is written in my new Quran right at the start of the book. (I'm currently re-reading the Quran)

The Quran is, from beginning to end, a book which promulgates peace and in no way countenances violence. It is true that jihad is one of the teachings of the Quran. But jihad, taken in its correct sense is the name of peaceful struggle rather than of any kind of violent action. The Quaranic concept of jihad is expressed in the following verse: "Do greater jihad (IE. strive more strenuously) with the help of the Quran. (25:52) The Quran is not a weapon, but a book which gives us an introduction to the divine ideology of peaceful struggle. The method of such struggle, according to the Quran is "To speak to them a word to reach their very soul." (4:63)

So, the desired approach, according to the Quran, is one which moves man's heart and mind. That is, in addressing people's minds, it satisfies them, convinces them of the veracity of the Quran and, in short, brings about an intellectual revolution within them. This is the mission of the Quran. And this mission can be performed only by means of rational arguments. This target can never be achieved by means of violence or armed action.

It is true that there are certain verses in the Quran which give permission to wage war. Bt these verses are only relevant when a state of war already prevails. Physical combat is meant only for defence at the time of an attack. Indeed, no war is lawful in Islam except for defence. Moreover, such defensive warfare can be engaged in only by an established state. No individual or organization may on its own wage armed jihad. Waging war is the sole prerogative of the state.
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( ** Sorry for the typos I transcribed that directly from my Quran **)

I'll answer anyone that has a sincere honest question. But I warn you that I certainly won't pretend to have all the answers.

You're being very respectful and I appreciate that. So please don't take my next comment as being directed towards you. Let me say that the one thing I won't do is respond to people that are condemning or are only asking questions so they can set up an attack.

 

Muslims...they have alot of clothing pieces...

 

Muhammad, the last prophet of god:



I get what she's saying about the hijab being liberating, I'm sort of enjoying how I can say anything I want about her ignorant arrogant violent pedophilic religion, and she can't see it.

 

If "god's will" is a sufficient explanation for literally everything, thinking becomes only optional. The appeal of religion is understandable.

 

At what point does it appear that I've abanndoned thinking?

I may have a new nature and a new perspective on how things work in this world. But don't silly yourself into the pound store because my brain is still working. In fact it's working over time.

I'm having to adapt, learn new decision making processes, explore who I am and figure out what part I will play in this world. Living according to God's will is simply accepting that there are things that are going to happen that I will have no say in. But does that mean I simply become a bump on a log and stop caring or trying?

No! Because God wants me to love his creations and demonstrate that love by trying to do my best at everything. The lazy child that refuses to do his homework and clean his room is going to displease the parent. But the child that makes an effort enjoys the love of his parent without the need for a loud argument.

You're *slogan* is one of many that tries to reaffirm the negation of the existance of something that you don't want to explore. It's a method of patting your paradigm on the back while riddiculing those that don't suit you. In fact it's being self righteous. And being self righteous is a form of escapism.

If you don't believe...
That's fine and dandy. No one that has faith is trying to make you believe.
As I said, you're either born with faith or something has to happen to you.

But throwing about catchy slogans about one's belief in the lack of God is just as bad as a someone quoting the bible and telling everyone around them that they will burn in hell. Because both are proselytizing their beliefs. And from the perspective of what I've gone through... God doesn't need salesmen so I'm sure non-believers don't need them either.

 

Surat Al-Kāfirūn
In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
Say, "O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshipers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshiper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshipers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.