I'm gonna neglect my kids for the internet/video games

go look at whose actually in prison and for what before you get mad.
Then go vote to your consciences desire.
remember, judges stay in office if you dont vote them out.

 

ahh, i was going to stop replying to this as well. im not going to ask any questions in the spirit of wrapping this thing up (im sure we're both tired of typing the r word by now) but there is a point to this discussion that i really want people to understand.

It is ok for you to want them to understand how 'evil' what they did was, how it was selfish and caused their vulnrable children suffering, the very children they made out of their own desire, i understand that i do.

i even understand the desire for 'revenge' but there are so many things that need to be considered. First of all, who's revenge? what inmate would be likely to claim that as their own? none, only their children deserve revenge, after all they were the ones wronged.

Another thing worth considering, is why did it happen in the first place? was it deliberate? was it a lifestyle they had since their teens and something fucked up caused it to continue into adulthood? or did they just hate their kids? probably not the last one.

And a final yet the most important consideration, will punishment help them understand? will it right the wrong? or perhaps rehabilitation will make them understand... nothing can change the past... but it might give them an opportunity to try and make up for it.

Life's funny you know? you add more shit to the mix and the mix gets more shitty... i had a friend growing up his mother abused him... something horrible... she has now been diagnosed with a phychotic disorder and now she is on her medication she is a fine mother (for her younger son, her other son now being an adult). Thing is this, if some one had raped is mom as punishment, he'd probably kill them, and if they had... she probably never would have gotten better enough to apologise to him...

It really seems to me that 'good' people that is people comfortable with their own morality (usually those not into exploring their shadow) are almost desperate for a victim to abuse in the most horrific ways... you just mention ped and 'good' 'moral' people will give you detailed descriptions on how to torture them (and i mean properly), with straight face and a smile.

What pisses me off about this phenomenon is that people like this (and it is alot of 'normal' average people) always have to justify it, just like you and the whole "I want them to understand" bullshit... you don't give a shit about them you hate them so just admit it.

I wish all you 'good' people with your torture for the wicked would just admit that it's not ok either and it's just you and you just hate them... i dont mind, just don't justify it, be honest.

 

I wasn't mad

And I do vote but ME voting amounts to shit so really I wonder why I bother.

 

i was at an orgy once, back in the day, and someone brought in a sinclaire spectrum and let my play with it. i forgot all about sex and giving a dam about anything to do with it.

i always thought that was just me.

=^^=
.../\...

 

You can refuse to accept facts and consider me ignorant all you want, but that doesn't change the truth. I have basically dedicated my life to studying this shit and ending these injustices. What really gets me is that this type of brutality is so normalized in our society that people just expect to get raped if incarcerated, and nobody does anything to change it. It's like if the state deems you a "criminal", suddenly you lose ALL of your human rights, and everyone seems to be cool with that.


· More than half (55%) of federal prisoners are serving time for a drug offense, and 13% for a
violent offense.
· Nearly three-fourths (72.1%) of the population are non-violent offenders with no history of
violence.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin/Documents/publications/inc_federalprisonpop.pdf


[size=+1] The Department of Justice reported that at year-end 2003, federal prisons held a total of 158,426 inmates, of whom 86,972 (55%) were drug offenders. By comparison in 2000 federal prisons held 131,739 total inmates of whom 74,276 (56%) were drug offenders, and in 1995 federal prisons held a total of 88,658 inmates of whom 52,782 (60%) were drug offenders.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/prison.htm


[/size]Among the State prison inmates in 2000: -- nearly half were sentenced for a violent crime (49%)-- a fifth were sentenced for a property crime (20%)-- about a fifth were sentenced for a drug crime (21%)

• Half of jail inmates in 2002 were held for a violent or drug offense, almost unchanged from 1996.
• Drug offenders, up 37%, represented the largest source of jail population growth between 1996 and 2002.
• More than two-thirds of the growth in inmates held in local jails for drug law violations was due to an increase in persons charged with drug trafficking.
• Thirty-seven percent of jail inmates were convicted on a new charge; 18% were convicted on prior charges following revocation of probation or parole; 16% were both convicted of a prior charge and awaiting trial on a new charge; and 28% were unconvicted.

• In 2000, an estimated 57% of Federal inmates and 21% of State inmates were serving a sentence for a drug offense; about 10% of Federal inmates and 49% of State inmates were in prison for a violent offense.
• Violent offenders accounted for 53% of the growth in State prisons between 1990 to 2000, drug offenders accounted for 59% of the growth in Federal prisons.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm


Heres some good info about prisoner rape http://www.spr.org/pdf/StoriesFromInside032207.pdf




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i think all the really violent people are out of jail walking around if i can judge by this thread. thank god for the internet cuz it keeps them off the streets!

seriously, you can't believe everything you read in the papers or online. i've seen 'authorities' remove children from people they simply do not like, and make up stories to justify their action. one group of people this happens to is HIPPIES!

so put down the pitchforks and calm down!

 

Don't know if this was directed to me, but if it was I jsut want to say I didn't mean to sound angry or abrasive. I think most of us are on the same page here. The whole prison issue is something I feel very strongly about but I'm definitely not holding any pitchforks. I'm all about some non-violent resistance. peace

 

woah.. that was unexpected

 

no, not directed at anyone in particular. just responding to the mob mentality response to something 'in print' that may not even be true. i'm very cautious about believing whatever the 'authorities' have to say. i've seen the media and the 'justice' system abused too often to think it's at all rare. too many people out there operate off of their own prejudices and abuse their positions of public trust. not saying it's totally impossible for such a thing to happen, just saying i'd not be quick to jump up and grab a pitchfork.

 

Thank you. In college I wrote 20 page papers on this exact topic and gave a few speechs on it but it was a few years ago and I'm way too lazy to go get the facts, either from my research or online. I'm glad someone did the work though.

 

Anyone in particular you are talking about?

I, personally, am nonviolent but maybe its because I have experienced a form or two of total injustice firsthand. I have experienced how authorities can sometimes mistreat victims because victims can go through post traumatic stress, yet, the common officer of the law *at least in my state* has TWO YEARS of training and MAYBE 2 or 3 courses in psychology. Human psychology is essential in dealing effectivly in violent crimes.

I have experienced firsthand and closely observed victims being treated like criminals. And criminals being told "awww, you had a rough childhood"- Guess what? So did I. SO WHAT?

Its not an excuse. I have empathy for fully rehabilitated people as I am not perfect but I Will ALWAYS believe some violent criminals are not punished enough by the justice system.

While others are punished harshly for no valid reason. My mind is set.

 

ps lady of the freaks

"i've seen 'authorities' remove children from people they simply do not like, "

Of course that shit happens, that's why pigs are pigs- not officers of the law.

However, this thread was about a baby and a toddler- one that could hardly walk, dehydration, malnurishment, cat urine in hair, genital and mouth infections.

Maybe the social works just "didn't like "the parents, huh?

 

One of my really good friends is a case worker. Children aren't removed from the house unless there is proof of neglect. Children can't be removed based on if the parents are liked or not.

 

have you seen the children with your own eyes? no. that's my point. it's just a 'news' report.

 

i'm sure your friend is a fine person. but unfortunately people in authority abuse the public trust with depressing regularity.

 

It takes more that one persons opinion to have a child removed from the home. I think you might be reaching a little when you think that one person has a say.

 

you can think whatever you like, of course, but i know what i have seen...and i'm telling you that you cannot always believe what you read in the 'news'. people get railroaded often by people abusing their positions. pray that it never happens to you and that you never get smeared in the 'news', have everyone fall into lockstep and demonize you without evidence or a fair hearing.

 

Nice to know that you seem to defend child abusers. If a person neglects their child they more that deserve the public humilitation that goes along with it. I am also more that aware that the news doesn't give the whole truth.

 

Cool I hear you and yeah I agree with that for sure, its hard to believe anything coming from media sources

 

No worries, good thing I did that earlier when motivated because I'm way too lazy right now to look anything up. Thats awesome about your papers, you sound like me in college ...