Insofar as it's meant that a complaint is what you construe as negative emotion. The simultaneous and the instantaneous bear more than witness to it! I agree, but how to share it with a consistency that leaves none in the dark as to its actuality? An explanation is in order for such a statement since consciousness can only conceive permanency in embodiment. This asks the question of whether creation is anything more than the act itself. : D I know. Fortunately an accusation of love always trumps one of evil! Love never fails to have its immeasurable comedy at hand ;D How do you mean?
The apparently simultaneous or spontaneous emergence of negative emotion comes from a thought you forgot you had, an underlying assumption. The thought always comes first. Reaction can be instantaneous coincidental to the thought. All expressions of love are maximal. Some do not care to see. Some having seen the light prefer the dark because their eye is dark adjusted and the light is too strong. We do share as consistently as we are consistent. Peoples creations wait for them to be seen when they are ready. The mind is interminably abstract. Our state of being is creation and we create as we intend, extend ourselves. The word condition comes from syllables meaning to "speak with". Your condition remains nondescript unless it is described.
Sure, if complaint was nothing more than negative emotion, or holding something as such. For instance, would we tell a person who has discovered they have cancer that it is all in their head? How about "Not to worry, it's in all of our heads!" lol In deed we cannot place the act over the thought, but the fact that our very consciousness has emerged bespeaks existence before the conception of it. Yes, I suppose what I'm asking after is a consistency that holds itself as such beyond its varying degrees. That would absolve all becoming in something not exactly covered by the term 'event'. After all, we are only ever realists in our imaginations. : D And yet how can we wait when we're all eachothers creations? Everything only has its place and time because it is its place and time. In ascribing interminable abstraction to the mind I am not sure I see permanency of conception thereby described, it is after all your mind at work there! ;D Even less do I see it as explanation for bodily transcience, but that's just me.
Negative emotion doesn't come from cancer but from our ideas about what it may represent. In plainest physical terms, you were once an idea about life that someone else had. Cause and effect are the same truth. In this world we exist for and with each other as we share our creations. We cannot create the other as we cannot create unlike ourselves. Being abstract the mind cannot be assigned to the body. You cannot determine the locus of consciousness nor prescribe it's upper or lower limits if there are any. We share our thoughts. Minds join, bodies only touch. Mind transcends the individual body as the individuals thoughts are shared.
thedope youre the man. feelings/emotions are just indicators of what were thinking and if we're on the right path or not. the thousands of thousands of thoughts and processed information is just to much for us to "keep an eye on" so our feelings let us know
I think what our negative emotions tell us that we have misapprehended some aspect of reality, whether that is in respect of nature or nurture. Unrelenting joy is not prohibited by nature and I am continually relieved when anxious, to discover that I had been mistaken.
Sure IM sure that plays into it as well, since your not sure what to think... but its just so easy to change emotion, by thinking about happy things, make you feel happy right?
Happiness is more the absence of objection or resistance, a situation where you are unreservedly invested. We cannot make happy but we can allow it. A mind without anxiety is wholly kind.
thedope: Yes, but our ideas about what it may represent would not be present without the complaint known as cancer. lol Happily both of us will concede there need not be a viscious cycle. ;D I'm speaking about further back, before conception. I'm not asking you to get your head around it since no-one can, and yet our heads are still capable of inferring it! lol If we are speaking of the universe, yes, as opposed to our share of it. The other? It can, and is, but its assignation is indefinite. Not a bad thing all up! : D You can, only you have to keep on doing it. None of us have any inherent interest in a final resting place of consciousness anyway lol Minds and bodies. In joining, the 'boundaries' set themselves over.
From just this conceit then, there need not be a vicious cycle. As soon as a hand comes in contact with a flame we start getting impressions of our relationship with it. In moments it becomes hot and normally you would remove your hand as soon as you were aware you were being physically compromised. Not true of negative emotion, something that is unpleasant for us can be perpetuated because we mistakenly believe we are justified or right in our determination that we should be mad or upset or afraid. There are no idle thoughts and we continuously resonate into the environment. The ray of creation proceeds thought, word, and deed. As soon as you are aware of discomfort, resist the temptation to fulfill the remaining aspects of the cycle, which is to articulate to your self or at large, negative existence. An analogy would be if thoughts were as effervescent bubbles rising in a glass of liquid. If we simply allow them to pass without editorial as they rise to the surface, their upward momentum is arrested and the thought is reabsorbed into the liquid as the bubble bursts, to be followed then by another thought. However if you attempt to apprehend that single thought or rising bubble then it's form is preserved or extended through cultivation as you in fact begin to boil the liquid. Thought leading to thought till you are veritably foaming at the mouth and the freaking pot is spilling over. Another way to comprehend the self dissipating aspect of expressing negative emotion is to say instead of removing our hand from the fire as soon as we feel burning, we leave leave it in there until the flesh peels away and the bones begin to be charred.
The problem I have with this post is that it places all universal importance on the individual ego . You need to let go of yourself as something special and see yourself as a very small part of a much greater whole . The idea of birth and rebirth is a beautiful thing when we stop focussing so hard on the individual, the ego . You said it yourself when you said you are nothing special, you are not and neither am I, that is the most amazing revelation to have . It does not mean you should lie down and die or be mean and violent . You should be beautiful and loving, because that benifits you, but also realise there is a bigger picture that does not involve you, your ego, feelings, or thoughts, it is bigger than you and you could never understand it, because you are not God, or whatever it is the rules what we call this three dimensional universe . Your idea of nice or better seems to pertain to that which places the individual ego above all else, and this I feel is the point you are missing . Leaves fall off trees each fall and rot back into the earth through winter and new leaves come out again in spring . From the point of the individual leaf, this is suffering, pain and sadness . From a greater Gaian perspective this is the beauty of Life .
thedope: I wouldn't call it a conceit, but that we'd share said concession was certainly a piece of presumption on my part. Yes, only fear et al would have us lend gravity to a matter grave in itself. The proceeds of what has preceded us are past! lol At the heart of my entrance to this thread was concern for the poor old word 'complaint'! It demanded its innocence and not just its bad conscience! It was asking for a ray of...conversation.
Did we rescue it adequately? I would entertain every conjugation of the word complaint in preference to actually having them.
The conjugations or the complaints?! lol As one who understands that entertaining our preferences overrules our dwelling upon fears... does it matter? ;D
The other thing to grasp is that God is love . Just because some people have defined what they deem as being what God is, what God wants and what God does, does not make it true . Remember that, it will free you and your mind . God is what you feel God is . But that does also not make it true . I think too many westerners have been damaged to the idea of what God is by the powers that have called the shots over them (namely the Catholic Church and the Church of England) over the last 1000 years . They used the name of God in a corrupt context to force their opinions, fears, rules and controlling methods over others . Now many blame this on God . Not a bunch of twisted European minds nearly a thousand years ago . So many people who have turned their backs on God are actually turning their backs on christian teaching and thinking this is the only way of percieving God . To me God is not spiteful, judgemental or any of that sort of religious teaching . God cannot be encompased by a book which is more a code of morals for living in a urban society as it was perceived circa 1000AD . God is love, God is consciousness, God is Awareness, God is in you but you are not God . Karma is Karma, but it also is not God . The sufferings which happen on many million different levels of being are also not God, or even proof God is not love . God is life .
Notice how God and Energy pretty much share the same definition? God IS Energy, and is within us all.