imagine a primitive no electricity country

I just said make a whole land primitive. I did not specify if was the woods desert mountains valley whatever. if the land is big enough it could could have all of them.

for example here in california I am 1 hour from ocean. 1 hour from desert. 1 hour from valley. 1 hour from city. 1 hour from mountains.

a log cabin can be built anywhere there is trees. does not have to be woods or mountains.

and here in california in the mountians you will see hundreds of cattle roaming across the streets and the land. the mountains here have valleys with big lakes and rivers.

 

If the land were undeveloped and there was no electric grid, no medicine, no factory textiles, and on and on. There would be less population, dying at an earlier overall age. Other than that, our skills are equal to task regardless and every convenient thing we invent encroaches on our tool kit of adaptability.
The technology dependent will not survive for long, catastrophic technological disruption.

 

this dream sounds like an episode of Star Trek

 

I've lived for short periods of time without electricity or modern technology in the Amazon Rainforest. I could only manage it because I was with people who had been born and raised there. It's a pretty hard life and the medical thing takes a lot of people that would easily survive here in the states. If I had reading material I'd be good for entertainment. I would miss music but the jungle has its own songs. At one settlement a group of indigenous people were experimenting with solar power to run some basic conveniences. I haven't been back there in a while so I don't know how its working out. I hope to make it back there at some point because they are on the edge of a 4 1/2 million acre reserve named Manu. Thats a lot of land to be safeguarded The folks are very conscious of trying to balance life.

One young leader there was just plain brilliant in his insight and concern for his home. He was in his late 20's and loved to talk about his hopes. He was concerned with family planning, land protection and maintaining his identity as a son of the jungle. At the same time he was realistic about the established and growing world of technology only a few hundred miles away. I'd like to live in his village with him as a teacher and guide. He had a powerful spirit. He inspired hope.

 

so i can assume you've never worked on a farm?

do you really think there would be just one guy in a cabin, and not one of these?

 

Yes. How many of those people enjoy camping? How many would be prepared to spend the night away from the tv or PC and other modern comforts? I suspect very few, if any. And of those few people, even fewer would go to the trouble of taking up habitation in a remote area at their own expense. That's why these restrictive laws exist - they think there will be an avalanche of people which will destroy the area.

I don't see very many people camping where you ARE allowed to camp, anyway. When I go hiking, sometimes I don't see a single soul. If you opened it up so you can camp in most places, you wouldn't see anyone.

 

yep exactly. it would be like a mass preserved land with out much human habitat. mostly animals.

 

You don't understand. You're not playing sports or talking, you're farming and sick. Nobody is forcing you to use a computer, you could be living in isolation and still having access to modern technological goods and medicine. You're right, a while ago people didn't have tech and lived. And a while ago life really sucked for even more people than today, and a lot of people died or had horrible lives to support the idyllic picture of playing sports all day after destroying all technology that you paint.

Actually, there's people who do this. They're amish. And as far as primitive living goes, they're at the top of the totem pole.

 

you could visit Haiti ..

 

i am friends with some people from a church in mexico. I spent 10 days in their village in mexico hanging out with them playing soccer and just chilling. enjoyed it and heck its a hot dusty place thats all brown with no scenery just loads of brown hills with brown plants.

there are still tons of old school villages all over the world. but there not a such thing as a mass area of land totally preserved for primitive living

Edit: i will also add that when I was in mexico other than the car that I used to get to the village that I used no electricity did not even take my cell phone. the village had no electricity. i slept in the car parked in the village haha.

 

There are still places where this is the main lifestyle.

 

middle ages

 

I watch Rawhide and GunSmoke everyday.. I love the way of life. Dont like the mentality.. Some very narrow minded people....

 

Seeks to me a nice idea in principle, but the reality is that in any society (taking into account that one cannot do everything, at anytime, forever) that there is inevitably some kind of structure and in that case the comes a consequnces of a strngthy; either physical or mentally and one becomes either leader or led
Until we can truly and fully accept unified appreciation of each others individual contribution then sadly I think I'd rather not - (wuss though I am, I don't think I could cope)

 

I also feel the need to point out that you think farming animals is somehow being in harmony with nature.

No, it wrecks shit. Really fast. A herd of cattle, I think you said? One of the most wasteful land destroying things you could eat....

 

Any time you hoard, you invite pestilence, and that to the degree you hoard.

 

two points:

1) I read an interesting article the other day that made the point that farming itself is the root of the current state of society. The beginning of farming marked the beginning of wealth accumulation and, consequently, the heirarchy of humans. Hunter/gatherer societies generally did not accumulate much material wealth because they needed to travel light. They were more likely to share their wealth because survival depended on sharing their food with the others in their tribe. Women didn't need to breed constantly to keep a farm going, so they enjoyed a higher quality of life. It was too difficult to live a nomadic life and tote around a bunch of babies so they went more years between conceiving children.

Also, farming is the reason we have a lot of technology we have today. So if you wanted to live primitively, wouldn't it make more sense to go back to a hunter/gatherer society?

2) Farming is not easy and chill when your existence depends upon it. If you have a shitty crop now it doesn't really matter because you can run up the road to the grocery store. When you're dependent on your crop to survive and a locust plague descends one year or the frost comes too early, you're fucked. Not to mention its back breaking work often requiring work from sun-up to sundown.

Not that I don't see the value in an existence closely connected to the earth, but don't romantisize it to the point where you can't see the reality of it.

 

the point of this thread was to suggest that keeping a land without much modern stuff is a good idea. and like others have suggested it would be such a rugged lifestyle that this country if it were to exist would have a small human population because most people don't wanna live like that. the whole point of creating a land like this it to have a place without much human corruption. its basically a mass land preserve.

i did not even say I would be a permanent resident of this land either if it were to exist haha. everyone here has no idea what school im going to what my future job will be what kind of training im doing. I aint here to argue about how hard primitive lifestyle is or how hard famring is or how hard food is to get. ya know what the harder it is to live in this land naturally the better. I am just a normal guy probably gonna make some good money in the future with a job here in usa. I have my reasons for everything but im not gonna sit here and tell you all my life plan but basically I am not here to talk about primitive living anymore but the idea of keeping a land preservation.

but I think its great to have a land that allows people who truly want the primitive lifestyle to have that option

 

This is not what you said before at all, but this is more reasonable.

It's interesting that you brought it up, but when people bring up problems with the idea you brought up, you keep saying you won't sit here and tell us. Well, you're sitting here telling us, so why don't you FINISH telling us properly, ehh? Why would you start talking if you didn't plan to finish to a point where what you're saying becomes meaningful?

Anyway, sure, it's a good idea to preserve land. And there's plenty of it, ask around HF and you can find people with many dozens (or many more) acres of land that they'll let you run around on in bear grease and a loin cloth all you have a mind to.

 

I know of some places whose idea of a good time is a good ol' barn-raising.