Immigration.

All you guys above bitching about healthcare should perhaps start asking your government some serious questions about why you should actually have to pay for it in the first place... Or is that like unleashing some bastard commie menace into the ol' U$A?

No, it makes an ass out of you and ming.

I'm not hateful...

but...



Why do you constantly have to use the word dirty to describe Mexicans?? In this thread alone you've used it at least 10 times. If it really was an economic issue or an immigration issue you wouldn't have to be a racist by describing them all as dirty and could perhaps be a bit more eloquent and not so kneejerk.

'But some of my friends are Mexican' I hear you say. Classic racist line. All of us have some 'best friends' who are gay/black/hispanic/whatever that we wheel out when it becomes convenient to use that prejudiced line of argument.

Ah, so it's an engrained racism instilled in you since childhood, that explains a bit.


Now, I'm actually disgusted with some of the pig-ignorant bile you've been spouting in this thread, not very 'hip' or stonerish at all, just showing your true colours. I disagree with you on most issues and thus far have given you the benefit of the doubt most of the time but this takes the cake.

At the risk of breaking forum rules or being banned and this time I don't actually care: fuck you, fuck your small minded bigoted attitudes and fuck your pig ignorant outlook. People like you create all the hate and bullshit in this world by being happily clueless yet completely sure of yourself. I pray your child doesn't grow up to be as naive as you are. It's people and attitudes like your own that give americans a bad name internationally.


PS: You still didn't answer why riding a bicycle to work makes me/mexicans bad or annoying or even why it's not a good thing to cycle??

 

every hispanic i know makes far more than minimum wage.. as i stated before in this thread,the ones where i work make between 3 an 4 thousand a week, i work construction,thats why im up at 10 till 5.

i know of NO hispanic male in my area that works for under 8 bucks a hour.

even the day laborers in parking lots charge 8 to 12 dollars a hour.depending on how much english you want them to speak.

these are facts!



so badphish didnt "own" rubin,, he made himself look like a misinformed idiot...

have a nice day...

 

^ lmao just because in "your part" of the country mexicans get paid well dosent mean in all parts. Cubans are a problem as well not just mexicans. There are corners in flordia where you can pick up a cuban, ask if he wants to work the whole day with you and what type of work it is. You can pay 5 an hr and they'll do it. Bravesir is misinformed considering I have a link....it shows about healthcare.....I dont know if your didnt click on it if your to lazy or what. Maybe do some research on the issue before you talk out of your ass. My uncle has his own construction crew of about 25 guys so I know that they can make BIG bucks, I'm not dumb but my uncle also knows that he can pay people under the table for really cheap if he wants to get some extra work done faster. I dont see why people are supporting people coming here illegally....I guess its nice to help pay for some smelly ass thats going to steal from you.

 

I'm so done with this thread because of what happened yesterday and the "ambush" if you will..

But I would like to say one thing. My white construction working asshole boyfriend doesn't have to work 80 hours a week to bring home the goods. He works 40 hours. And his under the table job is bringing in 25 an hour cash with no taxes. Plus the regular checks every week.

So your mexican friends are making so much because they are working their fucking asses off for 80 hours a week.

That's all. I'm done, and never coming back to this thread again.

 

Yea I'm not talking to morons like you.
You obviously didn't understand anything I've said. You've taken it all out of context, and turned it upside down. So you can go fuck off you loser.

Mexicans can ride whatever the hell they want I don't care..

 

the mexicans= hondurans, cubans, puerto ricans, el salvadorans, peruvians, guatamalans, venezuelans, colombians,brazilians, and a handful of other countries below the us borders
Lets not bother to add any other immigrants from other countries that are illegal.... a total of 50% of the USA's illegals


About two-thirds of undocumented workers earn less than twice the minimum wage, compared with only one-third of all workers. Undocumented workers make up less than 10 percent of the 43 million low-wage workers in the United States. (http://www.urban.org/publications/1000587.html)


" -- despite what some people would have you think -- almost all of these workers pay taxes, including Social Security and Medicare taxes. Because in order to find work they must either use someone else's Social Security number or make one up. Since they will never collect benefits, these illegal workers are subsidizing our Social Security and Medicare trust funds with their payroll taxes."

"And those who are not paying into Social Security and Medicare are working under the table, and are at even greater risk of being exploited. No minimum wage, no safety standards, no over-time, no protection against sexual harassment or even sexual abuse."
"Most undocumented immigrants come to the United States to work low-wage jobs which few Americans want, such as picking crops or cleaning toilets. Our economy creates demand for at least 400,000 new low-skill illegal immigrants per year, but only about 140,000 are allowed to enter legally. When demand and legal supply are so out of line, the pressures for illegal immigration are enormous"

"If we're going to tell the truth we'll admit that entire sectors of our economy rely on these laborers -- construction, restaurants, and agriculture, for example. Without them, many American businesses simply could not continue to function."

"undocumented workers account for fully 2% of our national economy." (http://www.richardsonbringshope.com/placeholder.aspx?tabId=2&sub=9)

According to a New York Times article on April 5, 2005, "...the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year....Moreover, the money paid by illegal immigrants and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections."


"Our nation virtually posts two sign on its southern border: 'Help Wanted: Inquire Within' and 'Do Not Trespass," says Pastor Robin Hoover of Humane Borders.

"Without the help of immigrant labor, the US economy would virtually collapse. We want and need cheap immigrant labor, but we do not want the immigrants."(Pastor Robin Hoover of Humane Borders)

 

Oops. Bit late for that.

Which bit did I take out of context? They're annoying, ride bicycles to work and fill up apartments. Pretty much in context. So: What's wrong with riding a bicycle to work? If there's nothing wrong with it then why did you put it in with other 'negatives'? Is it because you look down on them because they can't afford a car? Not everyone drives or wants a car, you know.

And you didn't answer my point about you calling them 'dirty' at every given opportunity? It wouldn't be *cough* racism would it? Or is every mexican actually physically dirty? I think you being a stuck up bigot is the more likely scenario.

So eloquent and articulate, I bet you're a right charmer in real life. At least I'm a loser with a decent paying job in the arts, an open mind, a passport, a ticket to asia and a loser who's making something of my life not just popping out more little bigots and relying on someone else to fund my lifestyle AND then having the audacity to go on about immigrant workers when I don't even have a job

There's so many wrong, wrong things I could write here but I won't...

 

That's wonderful for you to be making something of your life..

I'm a MOTHER who is financially able to stay at home to raise the children. Unlike a lot of people in this society who throw their kids in daycare 9-5 for 5 days of the week.

I wasn't just talking about mexicans.. I was talking about ALL of the migrant farm workers. And yes, they're dirty! They work at the tobacco farms around here. Okay? They are dirty, and they break into people's houses during the day when their not home.

That's all I was talking about. Other than the fact that the western part of the country is having an influx of mexicans I just don't care. I have no problems with mexicans.. Okay? The bicycle thing was just an observation... That's fine for you if that's your only means of transportation. It's much more green than driving an suv like me. Okay? I don't know why you're so gungho on how terrible I am. I'm not a racist or a bigot. I just think that the backbone of this country was built by hard working white men (also immigrants) from countries like italy, and ireland, and poland, and germany. Men who weren't afraid to get their hands dirty, and to work those shitty jobs. Blue collar men. Mexicans can be those men too. But I was referring to the earlier part of the 20th century. Men like my grandfather who worked on the alaskan pipe line, and died from lung cancer caused by asbestos. Men like my father's grandfather who was a teamster in the 30s and 40s. Men like my father who work 24 hours a day during the snow storms clearing the run ways so artsy folks like you can fly to asia and other exotic destinations. He'll be at work for days at a time without sleep. Those are the kind of men who built this country into what it is today. That was the only point I was trying to make. Maybe I was a little harsh on my words when I was describing some of the migrant workers around here, but you obviously wanted to think of me as being a lot worse than I am. Mexicans aren't the backbone of this country. Maybe they do the shit that our lazy white american teenagers won't do anymore, but I don't think they deserve as much credit as you're giving them.

Now please stop telling me that I'm a hateful bigot because I'm not. I just grew up with respect for my father and his kind..

 

on a more personal level,, i was married to a MEXICAN,,,,,...i can say he was cleaner than i on a hygiene level and in much better physical shape. He made about the same money wise as i did.. and yes always dealt in cash... horrible i know ...

In fact we did live several to a house,,, cut our bills in all ways immensely.. What a shame to actually have fun money at the end of the week and be able to go out and do fun things.
We carpooled , walked often ,and yes even rode them stupid bicycles ... what a shame ,, we knew our neighbours, our family etc what a silly concept to conserve what we had and share it at the same time with those around us that werent as fortunate as we were... .. we didnt need an excuse like a holiday to get together and have fun... helpin another mom with her younguns or makin sure the fella next door had a way to work it was just part of life...... things that us americans should really take a much closer look at,,, if we open our eyes to the positives they bring us rather than cringing at them n turnin our noses sayin oh look another fukkin wetback coming to take us over... try peakin in at there lives n get to know them as individuals rather than the sum..... just like everyone else.. they aint any different,,, there are good the bad the ugly no matter what race creed, tribe, nationality n if i looked at humanity as a whole without looking at the individuals that make up the whole i would find it all quite pathetic....

 

Don't go off at me for 'cutting up your post' or 'taking things outa context'.. because they are all your words.. and they still mean the same things.

Those statements instantly make me think of some kind of all white ideology..

Please answer me this:

-why did you have to mention that it was built by white men? How is that relivent? Are they better?
-yes, you're right... it was BUILT by white men (or perhaps not.. looking back at slavery) but in this day and age it is MAINTAINED by mexicans/other immigrants.. therefore mexicans are NOW the backbone
-you say that the country was built by americans AND immigrants (polish etc) so whats wrong with mexicans? they're immigrants as well.
-just because your attatched to your father doesn't mean that what he said about 'not going near the immigrant houses' etc is right.

Bottom line is, things change as time goes on. The country was built by your grandfather etc... and now things have changed... new cultures appear and different people move in. If you can't handle mexicans living in your area then your the only one losing out because your not moving with the times.

 

alright i gotta argue against this

That's a horrible stereotype, what about the fact the good majority of welfare actually goes to white americans, like jeez we've owned this place for 400 years, they need to get off their ass.

Yet at the same time most people bitch about how healthcare isn't free. And at the same time, there are over 40 million uninsured American citizens, that's a number far greater then the estimated 13-14 million illegal immigrants

What about kids that were home schooled though, or adults that never have kids, their tax dollars are going to pay for someone else's little brat. But considering how low America generally ranks in academic surveys of our high school students vs those of other industrialized countries I don't really think it matters how much money we spend here.

Yes, kudos big brother, I'd love to live in a town where everyone is documented and organized. And the last thing we need is population slowdown, the only things keeping us from facing a government program meltdown like European countries is the fact our population is still growing and new immigrants help offset the retiring baby boomers

1. You're talking about removing 8 million people from the workforce, brilliant, we need another depression
2. No, who did it before them was the poor group of immigrants before them, remember those good ol' days of
-Irish need not apply
-Germans, I thought we got rid of them back in the revolution? Ah bloody famines in Europe
-Those Chinese with their long hair and odd food, we just totally banned them from immigrating for a while
-WOPS, jesus more catholic nut jobs like the Irish weren't enough, and look at these people, Italians aren't even white
_Mexicans, oh we've been trying to kick them out of our country for longer then you think. Then again like 1/3 of our country use to be their country
-Eastern Europeans, good god they don't even have the Latin alphabet alot of them, what kind of witchcraft is this
-Oh and the Jews, can't forget the Jews, aside from constant discrimination everywhere, even in the 30's when we knew what was happening to them in Germany we were still reluctant to take in any refugees.

Basically aside from the British, the only big group of immigrants that have never been seen as the disease of society at one point were the waves from Norway and Sweden and northern Germans. Hmmm what do they all have in common, really white and protestant.

I'm riding a bit off topic, but just think of this, the Irish and Italians who at their respective times(1840's-1870s and 1890'-1910's) were the most hated people(not counting blacks and indians) in this country, and now our country's culture is just swamped with stuff from these 2 groups.

Nah see you obviously have no idea how the immigration system in this country works if you really think those 13 million people are just here for shits and giggles ilegally. Nobody in the 1800's risked their life on a wooden ship to come here and not be a citizen and the same goes for Mexicans crossing a desert, Cubans crossing on a raft or Chinese people crossing in containers. Do you really think you can just show up, take a test, pass and here's your papers. American citizenship is one of the most coveted things around.

 

my current views on immigration is that I am gonna enroll the Green Card lottery and think it's a wonderful idea.. or get married to an American just so I don't have to deal with stupid paperwork anymore.

I think the whole concept that countries have to have borders and that people from different countries need VISAS and shit to get in is fucking retarded.

 

Your whole post is basically useless man. I said countless times now that I'm fine with mexicans. Why do you think that I'm not... I'm talking about migrant farm workers.. not just mexicans.. Jesus christ.. The only negative thing I said about them was that there is a big influx of them in the western part of the us.. Okay? So your whole post is a waste of time.

My parent's didn't want us going by their housing units because all they want is sex.. Even when I was older and working near them they would come in the store and hound me for my number and shit like that. Look you live in whales okay.. I live in the united states. Please don't preach to me about this shit.

 

Penny.. or get married to an American just so I don't have to deal with stupid paperwork anymore.




ohhhhhh you still have paperwork believe you me,,, it isnt just a piece of paper handed to you upon marriage or upon getting your k-1 visa...

 

My whole post wasn't about mexicans.. i think the thing that really pissed people off is your stereotyping of the people in your area.

Just because in your eyes the majority of them 'lie and steal' doesn't mean that they all do. It's an insult to the ones that don't.

Saying things like that is no different from being racist. Seriously.

Whats the difference between what you said and someone saying that because alot of crimes are commited by black people.. all black people commit crimes.

You wipe out all interaction with a certain type of person.. just because some of them commit crimes.

 

Why do you have to freakin call it whales?

Cardiff (where i live) is very culturaly diverse. Alot of crimes are commited by somalian people.... and because of that you get a load of people saying things like 'oh watch out its some somalis' etc... which is a load of rubbish. Because not all somalies are criminals.

The people who say things like that are usually really close minded and also tend to spurt racist insults.

 

hha I know.. I mean I had no doubt about that. I'm just so sick of dealing with VISAS you know? I hate paperwork.. I wouldn't marry just for that of course.. in fact I wouldn't marry, period. But hey would make things easier :tongue:

 

Well this here is my first posting let the ride begain.My name is sees in the dark(real name)I have been reading the posts between Jadesmom810, and edby123.WOW! Let me get this strait,one of you lives in the u.s. and the other in the u.k.,but bothof you are of european backround,and your ya ya ya about a thing called IMMIGRANTS.Lets take a look at your point of view of whos right and whos wrong,threw some non europeans eyes on this moment in history?Jadesmom810 were did your bloodline of you name start at?same question for the guy in the u.k..The question was ask is if you dont live were your bloodline started and you dont have writting permission from the people were you now live you are a desented of people that were never welcome and had taking everything by force and never pay for any of this lose.anow stop right there jadesmom810it is not your fult were you were born or how maybe your all live the people and schools and most of all the government ran t.v. did a good number too.I ask this now "What is a mexican?" Is he or she what is left of so many tribes that europeans buchtered so many different times that even them have lost count.I say this to all europeans of this world when you stop things like in the sudan then only then we will maybe talk to you again,This is the real though for the day boys and girls, do any europeans have any right by any standard to be on these lands you call north and south america? do you really? to answer whos right on this look were the person from the u.k. is and were you live is this really your homeland or are you living a lie? please be truthful with your self. to slove the immigrant problem is easy go home to the old land and the mexican will alway be your friends. peace sees in the dark wolf clan MOHAWK nation SIX nations of the HAUDENOSAUNEE

 

oh brother i so wasnt gonna go there lol ... have fun
i wanted to mention a few other things as well later on like the brazeros act,,, but i just am so not into teaching history this morning

 

This has gone way too far. STOP calling me racist!!! I just don't really care for being harrased and whistled at by the migrant farmers. How does that make me a racist? You're pretty dumb if you ask me.