In Buddhism, is there an Anti-Buddha?

was truth ever lost so does it have to be found?

and so my truth is my truth alone and so how could someone help me find my truth? which is why buddhist go to caves to meditate leaving behind the mundane world and all external influences

 

yes i would agree but in buddhism there some restraint of the senses and so one doesn't eat popcorn and candy while watching the projection of the thoughtforms

 

No matter where one goes, there they is. One may go out into Nature so that external vibrations are minimised, though. One can't help but feel more connected to Nature on the top of a mountain; nothing like breathing clean aire, feeling the wind on one's ear lobes, listening to the wind, etc. If all you want is a cave, just meditate in an empty closet. You may not get the cool breeze, though.

 

This is Circular Reasoning and Rationalisation. What do you think Enlightenment means? You have already made a choice, so why bother with anything else?

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/SHALOM/dhammapada.html

 

That's the most ignorant thing I may have ever heard.

Have you ever heard of a Christo-Buddhist? They exist. They are Buddhist. And they believe in God. It's QUITE possible.

Even so, it's probably very base of me to laugh, but I can't help laughing at "i am going to be enlightened" combined with "i wouldn't be a buddhist cuz buddhists don't believe in God".

We are all born into ignorance. If truth was never lost then you'd be Enlightened and supreme in all aspects right now. That's clearly not the case, especially after you said the whole "i am going to be enlightened" spiel.

I get the feeling that you are *trying* hard to sound wise, but you really aren't cutting it.

Outside influence can easily affect truth. Some truths about myself I have only found thanks to careful introspection with a friend.

Buddhists go to caves to meditate, to concentrate, to gain mental discipline.

Buddhists ALSO go to places to get guidance from OTHERS. They don't only sit in caves. Buddhists ask others to guide them to truth, while examining what others say to see if it makes sense. That's what the Buddha told his disciples to do: examine what he says and agree with it or not.

To say that Buddhists don't use external influences at all, is hugely misguided.

 

true and is there a cool breeze in a cave that has been bricked up and the other monks bring you food once a day?

 

Some people sit in caves to find enlightnment. Some sit on mountaintops. Some sit in monestaries. Some sit in temples. Some sit in churches. Some sit in their living room. Some sit by rivers. Some sit in deserts. Among humans, and even among Buddhists, there is no one say to do it. Every individual finds their own way, maybe through isolation, maybe not.

 

Sounds like wooly new-age stuff to me.
Like putting a bet on each way rather than to win.
Christians believe the form of Jesus is permanant. Buddhism rejects the idea of such forms. Forms of Buddhas ect are said to be generated by one's own thoughts. Thats a long wat from christian belief.

 

buddha didn't deny God or the Absolute per se... it was only he felt that what is should be discovered on one's own and the experience not colored with expectations and so everyday i go to my car with no idea if it will start or not... with the idea getting less and less with my awakening... or maybe its the cold weather

 

I farted.

 

I think the difference would be in the matter of the absolute having a form or particular qualities. In Tibetan Buddhism there's the idea of the tri-kaya - the 'three bodies' of the Buddha.
Nirmana Kaya - ('changeable body' or 'transformed body') - 'worldly' or incarnate Buddhas such as Sakyamani himself.
Sambhoga Kaya - ('Adorned body' or 'compensation body') - the Dhyanai Buddhas (the 'gods' of other traditions) - reflected or modified wisdom.
Dharma Kaya - ('law body') - the primordial, formless Bhodi, the esscence. It includes the other two in itself.
But even the Dharma Kaya is said to be constituted of the Dharma-Dhatu - the essential in germinal or seed form.

To me this suggests that final liberation or nirvana would mean passing forever beyond the world of differentiated forms.Individual existence and all differentiation would disappear in un-conditioned being. That is quite different from the usual christian idea (there are exceptions, noteably Miester Eckhart) that one will continue as an individual existing relative to other individuals, the chief one being Jesus.

 

if you would follow, then leave behind all you have put in mind

 

Some (chan/zen people) might say there is no 'I' nor is there any mind.

 

we agree, that's why we said "you"... pay no mind to those who say there is no mind

 

Some people love lying. It's the philosophical equivalent of holding a piece of candy out of reach of a child.

 

And some people just don't get it.

 

its there choice to get it or not... all we (there is no I) can do is hold the light

 

This is ... dumb.

"We" is composed of multiple "I"s. If there are no I's, there can be no we. Similarly, a "you" is just an "I" in a different frame of reference. If there is no "I" to be referenced, then there can be no "you" to be referenced differently.

The point of the statement "there is no 'I'" is to show that ego is an illusion. "We," "They," "You," "He," "She," they are all ego-based constructs, and are all equally illusory.

 

There is no candy in a liars hand. But I do have candy.

 

thought is as unnecesary to enlightenment as a birdcage is to a bird