Indian Supreme Court considering online porn ban

So, it might have been partially her fault?

 

Without a doubt our taxes are paying for the privilage of lots of government employees sitting in their offices watching porn when they should be working.

 

So you're in favor of banning all porn, because of one bad experience, with one type of porn user, and the one type of porn he liked?

What he did was very wrong and you're lucky that it didn't go even worse. I'm sure it was terrifying.

But do you really think it's because of porn that he was sociopathic when it came to sex? What exactly drew him to that type of porn? I've never seen a donkey punch and I have a rather shameful collection of porn (100s of GBs), including dom/sub. Why was he looking for porn with donkey punches in the first place?

 

I've never quite understood collecting 100GBs worth of porn. My mate does the same. I guess I'm more into the: Keeping it on other peoples servers, and accessing it when ever I want. I'd rather not drop dead and my family find hours upon hours of hard core porn on my hard-drive

 

I don't get it either. I consider it a minor hoarding issue =P I think it has something to do with the hunting-gathering (or nowadays shopping) instinct.

 

I think we should eliminate this part of the equation and then invest in serious study to see how things progress. IE: Ban the porn and let's go to work evaluating the change in society.

Now forgiving my rather feminist point of view I would consider that comprimise is needed. Because as you say porn is like drugs.. there will always be a chanel of distribution.

Therefore I want the "mainstream" channel of distribution brought under control.

1. If it's on the Internet I want zero free porn. All porn sites require solid identification of that a minor isn't accessing it.
Either they go into a store and purchase an access card from a shopkeep who can see the buyer isn't a child or credit card access is tied to bank details, etc.

2. User upload function is either removed or anyone being allowed to upload must send signed copies of the performer releases and copies of their identifications for every video they upload. Plus every video must start with the performers stating their ages and that they're in agreement to do this sort of thing. (The website can edit that part out and keep it seperate before publication)

3. A clear and percise description that tells exactly what's in each video. Not something that might start out gentle and end up super hard. (EG. A titilated upskirt video that ends in a gang rape.) Because this sort of thing can take some silly or intelligence challenged men and slowly turn them into monsters. (Also not to forget an child might still stumble across it)

4. All porn sites that can be accessed are sites that are registered and hosted within that exact nation. This way when there is a problem the police don't have to chase ghosts on the other side of the planet.
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In short put it back in the stores and clean up the Internet.

 

Perhaps.

Atleast it's not as bad as:

SQUEAKY clean in public but privately wallowing in murk, these three Brits are among the nation’s 1.2million porn junkies.
They spend up to EIGHT HOURS a day ogling videos and pictures online or on TV and their addiction has overtaken their lives to devastating effect.
One is a trainee teacher whose obsession ruined his career and left him £5,000 in debt. Another is a nursery nurse who has found herself unable to enjoy real relationships because screen fantasies seem so much more exciting.
Then there is the therapist so hooked he could not bear to go to work because it meant leaving the web.
These three Sun readers are not alone in realising that porn has had a crushing effect on their lives.
A third of 16 to 24-years-olds admit porn had caused problems in relationships, according to a recent study.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...porn-addiction-ruins-lives.html#ixzz2S8lhhnVq

 

If you mean did she put herself into the situation and then escalate it by being suggestive and acting overtly sexual, yes, but that is not to say she deserved to be assaulted.

But let's also apply some real world flesh and blood common sense to the situation.


in case you haven't been following her threads, this girl is a basket-case alarmist.:willy_nilly:

 

On having lots of porn and not wanting family members to think badly if you die suddenly . Buy a large ( 1 T bite or bigger ) u.s.b. drive keep all your porn there . Put a tag on it like , this belongs to Joe Miller , I loaned him $100 and kept this hard drive until he pays me back . Just dont put text files or your personal stuff on it , pics of the kids , wife ect.

 

It's not the feminist part I have a problem with. There are pro-porn feminists. There is porn for feminists. There is fetish porn for male-domination and stuff like that as well. It's the anti-sex and totalitarian nature of your argument I have a problem with.

That's a fairly interesting proposal. Of course, children could still stumble onto to their parents/older siblings stuff. I don't understand the whole "keep the porn away from the children" thing. I started looking through encyclopedias for naked women when I was around 8-9, first found my brother's porn around 10; didn't start a porn habit until puberty.

Really? Free individuals can't upload anonymous videos?

What proof do you have that this can happen? It doesn't sound the least bit realistic to me. I have found many new types of porn over the years. Still am. I'm a very curious sort of person, and I have a wide range of interests. But the porn doesn't control what I like. I decide if I like the porn, and if I do, I look for more. But I've not gotten into kiddy porn, beastiality, scat, pee, or violent porn. Why? Because it's gross. If I saw that type of porn, I'd still find it gross. Even though I've stumbled upon a lot of it (especially pee), I still find it gross. I don't want it all banned; just those parts that are non-consensual. I even question if in some cases, taboo porn can be a good outlet for one's energies, so that they don't have to do it in real life. (Although, clearly in other cases it could aggravate one's fetish)

But I like indians and middle easterns =(
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NoxiousGas

'Well one day I was having it off with a bloke that I thought I knew very well. Well the b**** donkey punched me then started to mount my backside. Needless to say I started screaming so loud that someone came banging on the door of my flat.'

I don't know the exact circumstance, obviously.
And I don't know her that well, either.
But her post read as if she had sex with a chap she thought she knew quite well (suggestive and acting overtly sexual?). And then he hit her.
She did put herself in the position (if you know what I mean) to have sex with this chap. But that's kinda what you have do do.

So you are suggesting it's made up or exaggerated?

I do get the feeling most people here are taking what she says with a pinch of salt. If anybody can tell me why - feel free to PM me.
I'm kinda taking it all at face value at the moment, to be honest.

 

When it comes down to it, to actually be able to control "the internet" one would have to break encryption. If one person or one government where able to do that, they would also be able to raid everyones bank accounts. Then once everyone knew that, we would just switch to a higher level of encryption. Thus go back to not being able to decrypt files. Not that it would happen like that, having to up encyption would be planned years in advance.

That is, most of what you've said there isnt actually possible

 

It's a nice idea, but I don't think my family would believe that.

 

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It's one thing when a child stumbles across porn. It's another thing completely different when a pornographer starts showing porn on the windows of your home and tells you to get better curtains if you don't want your children to see it.

No they can't.

• Because we live in an age where a camera can be a pen and men will film a girl without her know it and upload it.
• Because there are men that have no problem drugging a girl for sex and filming it
• Because silly girls will lie about their ages and allow themselves to be filmed for a little bit of attention.
• Because there are also pedophiles that will take advantage of them

If they want to allow users to upload home made videos. Then the uploaders should be required to provide legal documentation on the video. The same procedures that DVD pornographers must follow need to be applied and enforced on the Internet.

It happens all the time. More often than you can possibly imagine and absolutely colossal part of the problem is that just *adapt* and allow their men to do these things. My work sometimes brings me in contact with some of the more personal intimate going ons in familes and I've shocked several times about some of the things I've been told. Each time I was shocked the girlfriend or wife always says at some point "it all started with porn."

It's a very very sad comment on my gender but I personally feel like saying "You silly twit! You're letting him get away with abusing you."

Feminists and antiporn groups have literally amased volumes of documentated cases of male sexual behaviour being transformed by porn.

It's all fine and dandy to say you're a normal man of resonable intelligence that knows this sort of thing is best left for the appropriate situation. But there are millions of men where porn conducts a frontal lobe lobotomy via the penis.

How do you feel about Manchester girls?

 

I keep all my files on 2 large u.s.b. drives . I dont care if any one knows that I have porn on them , but it allows me to kill disk my boot drive and reload my operating system , normaly a distro of Linux . http://www.killdisk.com/ http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=dreamstudio It would take an eager beaver some time to fill this drive with porn . http://www.frys.com/product/7103282?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG Thats 6 T bites a dvd is like 4.7. gig. thats a few movies . I will let others do the math for me .

 

Porn has its darker side , banning it is not the answer . Hear is a list of dead porn stars and a you tube video on dead stars .
http://www.rame.net/faq/deadporn/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0q_VGacfNk"]Dead Porn Stars Memorial - YouTube


p.s. Lots more people lead more of less normal lives in the porn indursty .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Tai

 

Those standards are NOT being enforced at all on the Internet. That's the problem. That's why the entire thing with Manwin's former CEO Fabian Thylman is so shocking to the adult industry.

The German government arrested Thylman on tax fraud and then charged him with distributing porn to minors. This isn't an isolated incident with him.. The german government got access to Manwin's books and then charged Thylman for stuff dating back all the way to 2005. He's been profiting since 2005 off minors accessing his on a massive industrial scale. Unfortunately the German government has only been able to charge him on a single site based in Germany.

Manwin's tube sites have also been hidding behind DMCA laws in the United States saying "if someone complains we'll take it down." Fine and Dandy except that Manwin isn't an american business. They are headquarterd in Luxembourg and owned by Germans that used to use banks in Cyprus to hide their money while uploading pirated content from Canada.

So DMCA does NOT apply. But they certainly like everyone to believe that it does because if they ever got tried by another nation's laws which don't have DMCA loopholes. (ie: Cyprus) They could be facing some serious punishement.

So am I supposed to feel sorry for these big transnational corporations? They make billions of pounds each year.. And the ratio of employees to the pound sterling works out to less than that of a local corner grocery shop.

They have more than enough money and resources to hire people to sort through this rubbish. And I damn well say that it would do the blooming world economy some good making this lot take responsiblity for what's being passed around using their sites.

Indentification to make a Facebook profile? No... but to upload videos and photos.. absolutely!
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Well there are some groups that use this to promote their religion. I recently find myself with some very strong religious opinions on porn. But I believe this to be more of a secular issue about abuse against women and to a large extent against children.

If I was you I would start with Gail Dines.
Her research about the adult industry, its lies and how it affect women and society tends to be pretty sound and verifiable. But she doesn't always do a good job of presenting her material in a strictly unemotional academic method.

 

I know people are making money on porn sites , but I dont see why . With all the free stuff , on you tube , and for down load off torrent sites . Any one wanting links send me a p.m. In a local paper there are a few adds , something like 7 adult dvds $20 3,4,5 hour many titles . The stores are around the Phoenix area. If asked in p.m. I will give an address or phone #

 

Hm, thank you for that information on DMCA scapegoating.

But what would it do for the independent web developer trying to get started? How is a website supposed to get content to start up? If these laws were in place in the 90s; we wouldn't have YouTube or Facebook, maybe even Google (or at least it wouldn't have image search). No e-mailing pictures to friends. I can't even imagine how webcamming would be set up.

Why? It's my photo. It's their web server. If they want to host it for me and I want them to host it; what's the problem?

I may check it out. I'm used to reading sex-positive accounts or personal accounts of the industry. Certainly never hurts to witness an opposing viewpoint.

I'll read Pornland, but maybe you should check out this critique of it from a George Washington U professor, too.

Honestly, from the Wiki article on her, she seems fairly extreme. "Dines published an article in Counterpunch in which she accused the BDSM website Kink.com of being in violation of the United Nations Convention Against Torture."
I really respect Kink.com actually, because they have interviews with the actors afterwards asking if they liked it, what were their favorite parts, was their anything that made them uncomfortable, etc. It's really awesome to see them talk about the work they did together with their eyes still aglow of oxytocin.