Infallible proof of god

IMO, it probably doesn't have one; it's just not detrimental enough to our survival to die out. Of course, it's also what's allowed us to "think around corners", to make tools and so on rather than just bang our heads on stuff. And I mean, look at us: we're doing alright for ourselves, right? Top carnivore, 6 billion of us, virtually no chance of being usurped from the top of the food chain by any other species on the planet...

 

the evolutionary function of consciousness? that's sort of awkward. what do you consider to be consciousness, and what possesses it?

does a single-celled organism have consciousness? it's surely alive. but if it does, then I think consciousness comes before evolution, or the need for it.

 

Well no, as we understand consciousness, and in so far as we're able to test for it, we've made computer viruses more conscious than most single-celled organism (and quite a few people!).

 

Uhm, this doesn't explain an infallible proof of god.

Certain machines like computers, jet fighters, race cars, high-precision machines, etc., can be fine tuned to be impressive.

Not everything in the universe is exactly fine tuned. For example, certain people carry with them, defective genes that bring disease and suffering.

This doesn't provide and infallible proof of god.
Are you suggesting that only humans are aware of reality and that animals such as a dog are not aware of reality?

So what, why do you make a big deal of consciousness?

Even criminals and mass murderers have consciousness.

Does merely having a consciousness necessarily provide an infallible proof of god?

If so, then following your logic, the absence of consciousness would provide an infallible proof of the non-existence of god.

You have to come up with something better than that to provide support for your argument as to an infallible proof of god.

Many things both found in nature and man-made can also be both complex and regular.

Yet, this does not explain and provide an infallible proof of god.
If so, then people might as well worship complex, scientific instruments that exhibit both precision and regularity.
They might as well worship their computer and call it god.

Or, they might as well worship the moon, the tides, the seasons.
The moon is not god. The moon is merely a huge chunk of rock circling the earth.
If people want to worship the moon, they might as well worship a complex, commercial space satellite programmed to circle the earth with precision and regularity.

It seems you have a penchant to view and mix certain co-incidences, superstitious beliefs and call it the basis your faith.
Have you ever considered that this could be a sign of delusional thinking, rather than "religious belief".

Nice thoughts about this. Yet even crooks, or simply deluded people can write all sorts of nonsense and claim all sorts of bogus "supernatural", "life-altering" religious experiences that they experienced.

Again, this doesn't explain an infallible proof of god.

Sorry, but if you present your "proofs" to a scientific, courtroom or even a spiritual sense, the weakness of your proofs would be laughed at.

 

wow.

You seem to be suffering from selective reading "wbld".

Okie didn't say those were "proofs". They are his subjective reasons, all of which he is perfectly entitled to. Or did you forget this part?

 

I think we'd already established - about nine times - that there's no infallible proof of God. I get that it's the thread title, but the thread has moved on. So you can either go along with that, or demand that yet another thread be closed.

 

My post was merely meant to once again, remind everyone of the weakness of the christian argument of an infallible proof of the existence of god.

If christians want people who use critical thinking skills to take their beliefs seriously, then they better "invent" another theory supporting their view of an infallible proof of the existence of god.

 

I must have missed the post where someone claimed to have infallible proof of the existence of God.

 

And if they don't care if people who use critical thinking skills take their beliefs seriously, they can just carry on how they are?


Wow, that was easy.

I don't know where you've got this "christian argument of an infallible proof of the existence of god" from though. Not in this thread, that's for damn sure.

 

LOL.
In a way, reading a christians' belief, is similar to selective reading.

There are way too many holes in the christian way of thinking.

 

Actually, christians do not just "dont care" if people who use critical thinking skills do not take christian beliefs seriously.

Christians are fond of taking their beliefs and subtly forcing them on other people, especially to those people who do not use critical thinking skills.

It's called missionary work, in case you missed that one.

 

like what?

 

A christian argument of an infallible proof of the existence of god is obviously, not anywhere, that's for damn sure.

 

Like your post, or perhaps, like the bible quote you're quite fond of, found in your signature. LOL.

 

See, I asked if Christians were trying to be taken seriously by those with critical thinking skills. You're responding by saying that they try to be taken seriously by those without critical thinking skills. Do you see why I'm a little confused?

I don't feel that I'm being bombarded with a Chrisitan argument of an infallibale proof of the existence of god. Like you say, it's not anywhere. So why mention it?

See, you seem to be implying here that Christians would be making this argument if you or someone like you hadn't rendered them unable to make it with your mighty logic. But I haven't seen anyone making the argument that you claim to be "a christian argument". It seems a lot like it's only the atheists who believe that argument is being made.

Please feel free to wow us further with those critical thinking skills that you have. I'd like to see them.

 

which post?

and what hole is in my signature. Im not sure Im following you on that one. It's just a statement/opinion. where is the hole?

 

Talk about "selective reading", I think you can pick and choose any one of your more than 1300 posts most of which are basically meaningless. LOL.

Your bible quote reads:
"The fool sayeth in his heart: There is no God."

I'm sure even you would agree that there are indeed, fools "who sayeth in their heart that there is god."

 

Just to pick you up on your "critical thinking", those two things aren't mutually exclusive, are they?

 

meaningless in what regards? you're not making much sense. btw, which one of YOUR post contained some sort of great meaning?

there certainly is. however, that's besides the point.

so anyways, was that the hole?

 

But from our standpoint, it's pretty crucial. As far as I'm concerned, "Consciousness Are Us". Another happy accident brought about by evloution!