Intelligence associated with grades

Depends on what's being graded and who's grading it.

Grades achieved in math and sciences tend to reflect one's comprehension of the subject matter depending of course on the nature of the testing. In my experience in college many professors liked to write multiple choice tests that tricked students who otherwise comprehended the subject matter into selecting incorrect responses that were very similar to correct ones with subtle differences.

Subjects like history, which deal less with actual fact and more are courses of indoctrination measure and reward unquestioning acceptance of what's being fed. Of course a savvy student can appreciate the value of feeding an instructor what he or she wants while keeping a differing opinion. It's a good way of slipping under the radar.

 

you'd still need some skills for maintaining your position fairly within that community. education is helpful.

 

I understand and respect your arguement here, but I also maintain that education is very much "what you put in, is what you'll get out"...

You take the right classes, get some decent teachers(which I believe I've never had a bad teacher...even the ones everyone hates, I learn something new from, whether it pertains to the class, to life or to people, I've learned something from every teacher I've had and I respect all of them for the job they do) and you really start thinking in your classes and you can make it all very worthwhile...Sure a lot of it includes punctuality and rules and standards, but so does every institution in society.

If you can think creatively, do things differently, portray them in a different light, whether in class discussion or in an essay, you typically get some sort of praise for it no? I guess not if your teacher is a complete dick/bitch....

I still think there's more to education than just doing what is told and following directions...You have to be a critical thinker to excel in some subjects...Can't analyze a piece of writing in English without doing some thinking on your own can you? Maybe American and Canadian schooling really is different... or maybe you guys have had very different experiences in school.... I suppose you are right in that sense for some people though..the ones who don't really want to think for themselves and whatnot.

I dunno...I'm rambling

 

i agree with you, drew.

 

Man, that's exactly how I was in school, especially in regards to my relationships with teachers. Some would even give me A's despite literally having a C due to the weight of homework and the fact that I never did it. They saw that I did well on tests, loved to learn and when I felt there was a point in writing a paper I would and they usually loved it. I often wrote papers that had nothing to do with what I was told to write about though, and I'd simply write a rant about how pointless or un-intelligent what they were having us write about was.

 

I did not get a serious education on history in high school at all.

Between 6th grade and 12th grade, I took US history 3 times. Every single course ended right after reconstruction. I honestly had no idea about Vietnam will I was like 17. I mean I knew of it of course from cultural sources. But I had no idea.

 

I have had some brilliant teachers who really didn't care about due dates as much as they cared about what gets done and to what extent...They wanted to see quality over anything else, they wanted to see that we could do things well and actually think creatively and differently about things. Due dates for work came second to actually learning the concepts and the ideas being presented...

I know many of you think what is being taught is bullshit...but maybe you were in the wrong classes? I loved psych because it's one where you can form your own hypotheses on different subjects while entertaining the ones presented and language classes were great, because we were shown cultural differences, literature and different ideas on life and the aspects of it from around the world... Some subjects can be well worth it if you think about it

 

That applies to everything in life though, the "what you put in is what you get out." notion that is.

Teachers are the one and ONLY thing I feel actually have the possibility of increasing your ability to learn, or simply to learn things more efficiently, that is assuming of course they are a good teacher and know their shit. To be honest though, I've meet people in my everyday life that act as teachers in one way or another and the school of life, so long as one keeps an open mind and actually tries to teach them self and learn from others is far more of an actual "schooling" than school is.

 

I agree. The majority of my teachers throughout the years have been excellent, and focused on quality and understanding rather than busy work.

 

Oh I agree, that's more of a passed down type of knowledge for the sake of survival though, whereas school isn't so much about that type of knowledge for that type of life. It's geared towards as we've already said a "drone" type of life, where you do what your told and show up when you are told as well in order to make the almighty dollar (food/shelter, so some survival is involved), so that you can buy more of the unnecessary shit that our society claims you need.

 

...and that's perfectly fine if that is the lifestyle you want. However, in your original post when you say you couldn't stand school anymore because you wanted to learn more about what YOU cared about, I think you are forgetting that about 99% of the kids there had the same mentality you did. No one really wants to go to school, man...
What I meant by playing the game is that even if you dont want to go, you should at least finish. For me, that represents a level of maturity that directly reflects intelligence.

 

I agree with your point... I just think that people too often place blame on their teachers much too often for their own faults...How often did you come out of a class with people who didn't do too well and they were saying " Ugh, I did so bad, but that's cause the teacher was such a bitch..."

People gotta learn to work with people, teachers and students. We often blame the teachers for their style of teaching, but we can't blame the student for the style of learning. We all need to work around these things to increase our own abilities at both teaching and learning to and from everyone in life.

 

I can't agree more ...

 

If that's the lifestyle one chooses and in doing so they do no harm to others then that's their choice and I have no problem with it. I finished high school too by the way, with pretty good grades, then I spent a term at a Uni and still got good grades, but fully realized that "do what your told" shit isn't what I wanted for MY life (my love for traveling and the fact that I'm not getting any younger helped me make the choice too). Plus the eye opening experiences that made me realize universities are first and foremost a business disgusted me.

So are you saying that because I don't feel the need to get a degree I'm somehow immature? (I'm not a big fan of that word too....I feel that different people mature in very different ways, so there's no single form of maturation)

 

My transcript is all over the place too. Depends on the class, and the year. I was also suspended three times. Highschool was difficult for me, because I hated the environment. But I love learning.

 

It's definatly disgusting how much fines and pointless fees they tack on to your tuition just for the hell of it. My university charged me $45 just to read my SAT scores. They do stuff like that all the time.

 

No, I have no way of knowing whether you are mature or immature. I simply said that finishing what you start represents maturity to me.

 

In college I was put on academic probation second term when I got A's in first term. I was depressed there. Bigtime.

 

So does knowing when to quit.

In the business world, knowing when to quite can show a thousand times the maturity of trying to finish what you start.

The whole concept of "finish what you start" is kind of stupid really. Imaging if people always followed that advice. It's quite silly really.

 

How do you know how something really is until you've experienced it though? So, I spent a term at a uni (I suppose you could consider that a "start") and I fully realized I didn't and still don't want to spend the next 4 years of my life putting up with that bullshit, when I could learn just as much if not more on my own and from others in the real world, not in some classroom. Would you consider that not finishing something I started? Therefore I must be "immature"? Or is it not that black and white?

Yep......