Interesting View Of Black Under-Class.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Motion, Apr 28, 2005.

  1. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    The CIA is importing drugs illegally. There is a wealth of information out there not only supporting, but proving this to be true. Hell, just look at the Iran-Contra scandal.

    But why wouldn't the CIA be involved in the illegal drug trade if they were making billions and billions of dollar from it to fund their black budgets?
     
  2. Psy Fox

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    Well the FBI was not sneaky when they crushed the Black Panther Party or try hide the fact the FBI crushed them not because of the ideas of Huey Newton, or because the Panthers were armed but because of their social programs, J. Edgar Hoover even made note that the Panthers "Free Children's Breakfast Program" (that gave free breakfast to children) was the single largest threat to the internal security of the US.
     
  3. sumtinbuggy

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    The more you give someone (minorities and the poor) the more they expect. Hand outs breed complacency and laziness.
     
  4. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    As far as the CIA brokering drugs to fund a budget, OUTRAGEOUS !
    They can get all the money they want and more from Congress, they do not
    need to get thier hands dirty! Please, when was the last time they were turned down!
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Of course it sounds outrageous if you've never even taken the time to read about it. You don't understand that a lot of what the CIA does goes way beyond what the average person is lead to believe. There are portions of the CIA that are literally above the government and above the law, composing what you might call a "shadow government" of sorts.
     
  6. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Oh the twists and turns in the conspiracy theory business! I’m sorry Rat but I’m confused again..so is the CIA the shadow government or is it still the Rothschild’s and the communist bankers in control? Is it the CIA running the Rothschild’s or the Rothschild’s running the CIA?
     
  7. Maggie Sugar

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    Ever live in a big city prior to the mid 80s? Ever hear of Jim Crow? The KKK. (Yes, they ARE in the big cities!) Things have been bad for African Americans, crack or not, since they were brought over here as slaves.
     
  8. Piney

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    So where is Dan Rather on this.

    Is he chasing the wrong scoop. Dan would expose this, he's got the cajones to open it up.
     
  9. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

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    Balbus, there are things that only Rat understands. Those of us with normal perception do not get it. :)
     
  10. UrsusKind

    UrsusKind U like Chris Farley?

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    Damn strait see what i'm talking about!!!!!! Lets stop all those farm subsidies, banking bail outs, building roads into the national forest on my Gov's expense so private companies can log them,... I'm sure any of us can add three or so more to the list.

    Help a rich person get richer and it is a subsidie that just helps bussiness along. Give it to a poor person of colour and it is a hand out to an lazzy good for nothing.



    As for the CIA funneling drugs into this country you have to see the power Gov agencies get from our drug war. Money and power is addictive enough to do some crazy shit like that.

    They have to keep those totaly plant based hard drugs illegal because if they were legal people would grow their own.

    Plant their own: coca plants, opium poppy or marijuana.
     
  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    They are all the same. Everything is controlled by the bankers at the very top. If you learn to FOLLOW THE MONEY, you would see that it all leads to the international bankers.

    And I never said the bankers were Communist. They created Communism, but they are largely socialist.
     
  12. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    "They are all the same. Everything is controlled by the bankers at the very top."

    So the CIA and the Rothschilds are the same, so can they be interchangeable?

    And the CIA and the Rothschilds are both controlled by the bankers who control everything? Do you mean they literally control EVERYTHING or they control a lot of stuff? I mean if I have trouble with my water pipes do I call in a plumber or just bypass him and go straight to my local bank?

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    "And I never said the bankers were Communist. They created Communism, but they are largely socialist".

    And so the bankers are all socialists but is that like they really are socialists or pretending to be socialist that are pretending to be banks who are really do or don’t believe in socialism even though they created communism to promote a socialism that they do or do not believe in?

    (And what about the Perry Masons?)

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    Look Rat wouldn’t it just be easier to say that everyone who doesn’t agree with politically is part of the ‘evil’ conspiracy and those that do are not? I mean that is how it always seems to work out anyway?


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  13. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    Getting back to the points of the original article. It would be good if Black-America could recapture some of the economic success it had,believe it or not,from the segregation days. Those days could serve as a model for what Blacks could do more of today.



    " Because of the enormous growth of Black-owned banks, there was a consequent growth of Black businesses with receipts in the millions of dollars from products sold primarily to a Black consumer market. This couldn't have materialized without the capital and credit which Black banks provided and white-owned financial institutions were unwilling to give. For example, Richard Wright established Citizens and Southern Bank and Trust Company and played a vital role in launching many small enterprises, that included groceries, bakeries, cleaning establishments and caterers.

    Between 1888 and 1934, 134 Black banks were established, while from 1867 through 1917, the number of Black businesses increased from 4,000 to 50,000. Chartered in Chicago, Illinois, the Binga State Bank and the Douglass National Bank represented the largest Black-owned banks in 1929 with nearly $4 million in deposits. Additionally, there were more than 200 Black newspapers being published at the turn of the century, and by 1920 there were almost 75,000 Black businesses. All this activity prompted Black business districts, known as Black Wall Streets, which were located in Durham, North Carolina and Tulsa, Oklahoma."

    http://www.black-collegian.com/career/industry-reports/blackbus100.shtml
     
  14. Balbus

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    What strikes me is the segregated nature of the movement and enterprises.

    This was black churches helping to fund black banks that were helping black businesses aimed and financed by black customers.

    Marcus Garvey who appears the article wasn’t American but Jamaican and worked in Britain before moving to the US. His idea was to repatriate blacks from around the world including Black American citizens back to Africa, the ultimate in segregation.

    For example if you look at why one bank mentioned in the piece, the Citizens Trust Bank, was set up -

    “This vision emerged after Heman Perry attempted to be fitted for a pair of socks at a white owned store and was refused. Determined to provide access to capital so that Black business men could own and operate independently of white owned companies”
    http://www.ctbatlantahb.com/site/about_history.html

    A lot of these banks and the businesses dependant on them collapsed in the Great Depression, and I presume that means the assets that had been used as capital were lost or greatly reduced making it difficult for the enterprise to once more achieve momentum?

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    However the age of segregation in the US is well over yet this posts seem to imply that black people need to organise themselves to create their own banks so that they will in tern finance black businesses.

    Are the banks already up and running in the US not capable of investing in US citizens of whatever race or colour?


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  15. Motion

    Motion Senior Member

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    It is true that the segregation of that time concentrated the "Black dollar" within Black-America and Black owned businesses and banks were able to reap the benefits of this concentrated Black spending. Naturally when intergration came, it spread out the spending of Black consumers.


    I don't think going back to Africa(physically) was ever going to happen,but many Blacks today do view Marcus Garvey's economic emphasis as an example of what more Blacks need to do among themsleves as far as becoming economiclly self-sefficiant. I don't view this today as meaning self segregation. Today It's more about Blacks starting more businesses especially in Black communities so that their dollars can be recycled among themselves to build wealth and create more jobs within their communities. This is what that original article was touching on in the first post.

    Most businesses in Black American neighborhoods are actually owned by non-Blacks,and the majority of the money Blacks spend are with non-Black owned businesses. So Black spending power which is at $630 Billion, is actually benefiting more non-Black businsses than Black owned businesses. This is another reason why Black entreprenurship needs to be increased.

    I'd guess that the Great Depression affected many American businesses regardless of who owned them. I know that there were still many successful Black buisness districts still operating on up into the 1960's in various parts of America like Auburn Avenue in Atlanta.


    I think today many Blacks view this more as "economic self-Help" more than segregation. This type of economic behavior is found among nearly every group in America. You'll find this economic behavior with American Jews,Miami Cubans and the various Asian groups in America.

    Yes and no. Many Black Americans still complain about the difficulty of getting financing through banks,and many immigrant groups like African and West Indians actually finance many of their businesses through pooling their money with loans called Susu loans. I think this is more cultural for them.
     
  16. sumtinbuggy

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    Damn strait see what i'm talking about!!!!!! Lets stop all those farm subsidies, banking bail outs, building roads into the national forest on my Gov's expense so private companies can log them,... I'm sure any of us can add three or so more to the list.


    UrsusKind understands what I'm referring to. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Infact, that same man may teach his own children to fish and be self sufficient as well!
     
  17. Shane99X

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    Exactly. Political muscle can only be flexed to a point. True freedom and advancement comes w/economic and social development. One would think that having a political body sympathize with those needs would surely be a good start, and it is just that. A start. City councils and school boards can only do so much.
     

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