intolerant christians

judaism denys christ as the messiah so that demonstrates intolerance. there is intolerance within buddhism. 'at least real buddhists don't do that' so you can disqualify them based on that. that reeks of christian tactics. "f it doesn't follow those laws, Jews still don't seek to convert those people into their own religion, but just say that once the age of peace comes, they will see true light and find the real God." so that is intolerance. they don't recognize it as a true religion. yolu have completely missed my point. every one of your statements demonstrates a form of intolerance.

 

No, that's not intolerence. Both of these religions don't try to convert others. And they definatly don't try to convert by force!

Sure, they say "we are right, you are wrong", but it's their right to do so, as long as they leave the other faiths in peace!

Don't you see a difference between that and "Believe in our Christ or die, misguided fool!"? All of my Christian friends and family members (I am from a highly mixed family) can't have a normal conversation without trying to convince me that my soul is doomed unless I accept their saviour as the son of God.

 

no it doesn't. all religion has some kind of intolerance. they all believe their god(s) are the right god to worship. correct? otherwise they wouldn't worship that god. that is intolerance of the individual of another religion. by worshipping one you deny the other. why is that so complicated to understand????

 

intolerant:adj. not tolerant, especially of ideas or beliefs thatdiffer from ones own; intolerant of opposition. think about it.

 

but that does not mean intolerance does not exist. it just isn't as 'bold' as 'christian' intolerance

 

Alright, you could say that there is no religion that is 100% tolerant. But most religions are around 80% tolerant, simply by the fact that they are passive in their beliefs. Most christians throughout the ages, on the other hand, have 0-10% tolerance in them.

Putting the two in one category is like saying that those people who feel uncomfortable around homosexuals are as bad as those who think all homosexuals should burn for their sins!

 

yes, but they both deny it is right. and you make a pretty big generalisation when you say this about christians. i am one and i don't think gays will all burn in hell. i don't want to convert you to christianity. i'm happy to speak with you on it but what you do about it is your own trip. do you see what i am saying. so these intolerant people judge and condemn me as an intolerant 'christian'

 

Well for one thing, this is the Christianity forum so why attack Islam or something like that here?

And for another, have you been to the Islam forum? The atheist foum? The Jewish forum? They are scrutinized as well. Even the pagans here get attacked from time to time, and they have one of the most tolerant belief systems I have come across.

 

That is some pretty bad logic.


It isn't intolerant to worship a god. You aren't practicing intolerance by praying to your god. You are practicing intolerance when you try to tell someone else their beliefs are wrong and they are going to suffer for them. Not to mention Christianity has a history of forcing it's beliefs on others and handing out punishment to 'heritics'.

 

Well, I can't speak for anybody else here, but I haven't called you anything. You may be very tolerant, but it goes against what is written in your bible. I am agnostic myself, so I am talking from an unbiased point of view here. I've been reading the holy books of many religions, and so far only in the Christian bible I found such criticism of other religions that would call for action. It is the only one where all those who are not followers of the religion go to hell. In fact, it is the only one with a "hell". Most religions just say that once you die, you have a chance to prove yourself to be a good soul. And that means proving not by accepting a God, but by actually being a good person!

As for the comment about homosexuals, it was not to show a point relating christianity to homophobia but illustrating the idea of various degrees of tolerance.

 

intolerance is a human trait, not a personality trait of some ephemeral philosophy.

 

i missed this post but i kind of think it sums up what i am saying. the original poster was clear on some christians, not all, but i am refering to those who lump the whole christian religion as intolerant.

syntax, i know you haven't called ME anything, but as a christian i tend to get lumped into this mess, even though i choose not to follow it the way the church does. i don't think i am going against the bible. jesus didn't really go around rejecting or youre gonna burn in hell-ing anyone the way modern society is said he did. he loved and he healed and he listened. he also offered. there is a choice. you don't have to take it you know? and who is to say if you live a compassionate loving, spiritual, healthy life that you aren't gonna go to heaven? there is a judgement period n'est pas? i think if you are gonna say 'fuck it i can do whatever the hell i please and not care for anyone but me' then why the fuck should you be blessed and rewarded for it? he gave alot of flack to the hypocrites and lovers of power and money etc. but he hung with the gays and drunks and hookers etc. the ones who hurt and the ones who wanted to help.

i hate posting online because i can't read type and think out stuff the same as a conversation. i think maybe i've lost myself here.

 

The thing is, that what you are saying about Jesus is very different from what all other Christians I met have been telling me, and different from what I read in the bible.

The bible is full of saying such as "And it shall come to pass that whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Acts 2:21)

But you say that being a good person is enough to enter heaven? This is not so according to what Jesus said. In the bible, Jesus is quoted as saying that nearly every thing that a person does directly makes him a sinner and sends him to hell! So if you were to rephrase what you were saying and at the same time consider what Jesus was saying, you'd end up with something like "Sure, you can avoid hell if you're not Christian, but that is only if you have never looked at a woman with lust, if you've never lied, if you've never been rude to your parents etc..."

I can find no such person in the world, Christian or not. He may have "hung with the gays and drunks and hookers etc." as you say, but according to the bible, they would only be saved from Hell if they accepted him as the son of God!

 

i don't say anything as a promise. i am not in that position. yes jesus says that but no where inthe bible does it say that once we accept christ that we will never sin again. i accepted christ into my heart and i sin every day but, i believe its where the heart lies. the intent. are you living with a pure heart? just because other christians say something doesn't mean it is right. doesn't mean what i say is right. what does god / jesus say to you? thats what i am saying. my pastor says alot of stuff. i have christian friends who make fun of me because of my dreads and my beliefs. is that christianity? no thats human intolerance. jesus didn't judge.

 

Fundamentalists are the problem, the whole probblem, and nothing but the problem. Whether they be christian, moslem, capitalsit, communist makes no difference. Anywhere there is dogmatic adherance to belief to the exclusion of any other belief, there will always be problems by the truck-load.

I used to frequent a fundamentalist christian forum, and I'm really glad that I did, because it forced me to address my values and re-evaluate them. I asked myself "Is it right to be like these people, do I want to be like them?" My answer was emphatically "no way!" So I studied theology and christianity and came to the conclusion that the entire New Testament (short of a few quotes here and there) is a complete fabrication (thanks to the Roman Emperor Constantine who created a new and greater empire from it).
One really strange thing that christians seemingly don't stop to consider is that the christian religion as we know it comes from the Roman Church created by Constantine, in which the worship of Mary is equal to the worship of Jesus ~ Yet Jesus instructed people to worship God the Father. So by worshipping Jesus, christians are in fact being Un-christian!!

 

I've never been able to get a straight answer to this one either.

 

'sorry; 'haven't read the thread. but in response to the thread title I say Fuck 'em!


hehe.

 

There are ~ 15 places where Jesus is quoted as saying hell in the bible, but not in the literal translation (it says Hades instead of hell in the place I looked).

In the old testament it mentions the sheol, although I found one translation that used the term hell in place of sheol.

Job 26:5-7 "The dead tremble in their place beneath the waters. The underworld (sheol) is naked in God's presence. There is no cover for the place of destruction."

I think calling the sheol 'the place of destruction' is a lot like calling it hell. It's probably easier to call it 'hell' than 'place of destruction' too.

 

Because there is an ultimate truth in the universe. God is not a gray area. He speaks clear and with purpose. This generation as with many others before it, can't understand truth nor do they seek after it. Truth for most people is an alian. And for real Christian, it is not our way, it is God's way.

 

Jesus speaks of Hell in Mt. 5:22 , Mt.11:23, Luke 10:15, Mt. 18:9, Mk. 9:47
Lu.16:23 ect.
Jesus had no instruction in the Bible, that is why the Jews of that day were astonished at His doctrine. For He taught them as one having authority and not as the scribes. Mt. 7:28,29 Jesus fullfilled over three hundred Old Testament prophecies, even the one that clearly states that He would be rejected by His own people. The Jews were guilty of killing many of God's people. And Jesus Christ was just one more, they put to death. The prophecies state that a man would come to earth to die for the sins of the world. Jesus was that man. He was the blood sacrifice. The love I have for the Jewish people today, is because of the love Jesus Christ has for you. The day is comming when Israel will be surrounded by enemies. America will not come to her aid, when the Jews believe all is lost, that is when Jesus Christ will reveal himself to your people. He will destroy the invadeing army at your doorstep. Jesus is the God of wonder. I have heard His audible voice. He is truly alive. I cannot deny Him.