Iran begins installing 6,000 new centrifuges

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by cadcruzer, Apr 8, 2008.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I believe Iran is an independent sovereign nation, which has the right to develop nuclear power if it feels the need. I don't think the US has any business trying to limit the capabilities of other sovereign nations. The US government needs to look at what needs to be done at home for it's citizens instead of cowboying around telling the world what to do. I don't care what Iran is doing, Iran's citizens should be the ones doing that like Iraq's citizens should have. And Israel, should be minding it's own business, not stirring up unrest in the world in order to protect it's rich and monied powerful. Let them hire independent contractors. Why should the taxpayers of the world fight the battles of the rich?
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Neither any nation or country....only the rich! They want their assets protected but not at their cost.
     
  3. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    Russia claims a lot of stuff mate. I wouldn't trust Putin for shit in any situation. N.Korea is heading towards nukes yeah, but the general consensus is that it was either a pathetically weak nuke or a large amount of explosives. You obviously seem convinced that Mahmoud is insane enough to launch a strike against the US, knowing full well that the only result of it would be the total annihilation of his country. Where's the evidence of Kim Jong-Il actually being a threat? Aside from his short man syndrome obviously.
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I frankly don't care who has nukes. I won't fight in another war over them, and if I can stop them I won't let any of my family do so. Have to find another reason for a war I guess.

    Maybe that's what all the hysteria over global warming is about. But got to tell you lived through the ozone hole, and now that I know Gore is employed by the emissions offset industry, it's a hard sell.
     
  5. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Russia was just one of many nations who thought the same. It wasnt "Putin" making the claim, read the wiki link.

    Really? by just presenting a few facts?

    Tryin to just focus on Iran here, NK has its own thread.


    Come on Gardener 3 simple questions.
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    What were the questions?
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Found them.

    How many does the US or Great Britian have in operation? I don't know, and frankly it's a national matter for the Iranian citizens to decide. How many does Pakistan have?

    I only know that Iran has stated that it is trying to develop nuclear power generation for infrastructure purposes. Can it advance it's technology...sure if it isn't too stupid not to do so. Didn't we?

    Cheney and friends.
     
  8. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Why should we be the only ones on the block to have the cool toys? Oh, almost forgot we let are friends have them too.
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I think every home should have a nuke. Like guns wouldn't that deter the criminals, or do we have to stack the deck where only we are armed?

    If so we should have dropped bombs in more than two places by now. But then some wouldn't have gotten rich selling the technology.
     
  10. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    "By comparison, the first plutonium-core nuclear device tested by the United States (Trinity test) had a yield of 20 kilotons of TNT, and the first nuclear device detonated by India in 1974, though of primitive design, had a yield in the region of 12 kilotons of TNT. If the North Korean nuclear test is less than even a kiloton in yield, it would be a historically small inaugural nuclear test. Even if it were as many as the reported intentional yield of 4 kt it would be the smallest nuclear test ever conducted by a state as a first test. While some advanced nuclear powers have developed very small tactical nuclear weapons which are in the low-kiloton range, these are generally regarded as being far more technologically challenging than developing weapons in the 15-20 kiloton range, requiring advanced weapons materials and core geometries"
    -from the wiki link.

    I did read the entire wiki link, and still don't believe it was a nuke. Or if it was they're still miles off of actually achieving a working nuke.

    I personally don't believe ANYONE should have nukes, but randomly attacking countries that try to attain any nuclear capability (power or otherwise) whilst at the same time increasing your own (or updating in the UKs case) arsenal at the cost of the taxpayer is stupidly hypocritical.
     
  11. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    But that's exactly what the US and Great Britain have been doing for years.
     
  12. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    Which is exactly my point, we should be leading by example. Not having a foreign policy made entirely from double standards.
     
  13. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Guess YOU believe Cheney and friends control the Tehran Times,http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=165895

    which sources would YOU call un-biased?


    The sad thing is, you deny Irans actions, even tho they dont.
     
  14. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Every reporter has a bias, no matter what they tell you.
     
  15. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    SO, Cheney& friends controls what the Tehran Times writes?

    All of this is made up ?
     
  16. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    So , i guess Cheney & Friends control these too ??


    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1727876,00.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7336089.stm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/08/AR2008040803033.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/04/08/iran.nuclear/index.html

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHz-Bz3Pa0Ivga_oNIvTbrBoIN7QD8VQLOSO0

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear

    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=25835&Cr=iran&Cr1=

    The Resolution was imposed on March 3 2008, so i guess well get a IAEA report in about 50 days or so.


    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=25118&Cr=iran&Cr1=

     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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  18. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    You're insane if you think he does.


    And i can answer a simple question, i'm 100% sure HE DOESN'T.
     
  19. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Perhaps you could explain how you can be so sure. I am not personally acquainted with the man.
     
  20. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    You made the claim, you explain it.
    Then why make claims that he has control of the Worlds media when you dont even know him?


    I dont have to know him "Cheney" to know he doesnt control the media.
     
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