Iraq was a holy war.

That's fine.
But are you telling me you didn't appreciate the connotations?
You still have not dismissed the ludicrous idea...of a "Holy War"

Rumsfield didn't choose to do it.
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=5552567&postcount=5

No he wasn't and it wasn't.

A US military spokesperson, Major Jennifer Willis, denied that the US military has allowed its soldiers to attempt to convert Afghans and said comments from sermons filmed at Bagram were taken out of context. She said the bibles were never distributed. "That specific case involved a soldier who brought in a donation of translated bibles that were sent to his personal address by his home church. He showed them to the group and the chaplain explained that he cannot distribute them," she said. "The translated bibles were never distributed as far as we know, because the soldier understood that if he distributed them he would be in violation of general order 1, and he would be subject to punishment."

No they haven't.
Some have been proven to be wrong.
I think you did ask why did we go there.
As for why are we there now...:

I don't think it has changed from this:
http://www.heritage.org/research/iraq/wm1333.cfm

http://www.iraqunmission.org/

 

That's the UN's mission statement and an interpretation by the Heritage foundation of Bush's military strategy, is there no official US government foreign policy missionn statement on Iraq?

 

That explains one soldier's actions what about this chaplain?

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/05/06/us-soldiers-in-afghanistan-told-to-hunt-people-for-jesus/

Or this case:

http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/20...soldiers-spreading-jack-chick-tracts-in-iraq/

I can find more if you'd like.

 

It's the same incident.

So can I.
The problem is, you don't appreciate the end only the begining of a story.
I'm not going find out the end results to all your e.gs.
No sir, not me.

 

I'm sure their are more detailed information than this but this is the general theme:

Responsibly Ending the War in Iraq

On February 27, 2009, President Obama announced a plan to responsibly end the war in Iraq.
By August 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end and Iraqi Security Forces will have full responsibility for major combat missions. After August 31, 2010, the mission of United States forces in Iraq will fundamentally change. Our forces will have three tasks: train, equip, and advise the Iraqi Security Forces; conduct targeted counterterrorism operations; and provide force protection for military and civilian personnel. The President intends to keep our commitment under the Status of Forces Agreement to remove all of our troops from Iraq by the end of 2011.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/foreign_policy/

 

Thanks for info.

 

No problem. It really wasn't. It took less than a minute to find.
Perhaps focus more on finding info like that than talk of "Holy Wars"

 

It may be the same incident but it doesn't completely address the issue.

 

Indeed.

This train calling all stations. Next stop Enron.

 

Lieutenant-Colonel Gary Hensley says something like: "respect other religieons...show your faith in what you do...be a good person"

The contention seems to be that these guys are throwing bibles all of Afghanistan and are determined to convert Afghans.
"Christian jihad"
"Christian extremists".
This is a little extreme interpretation of what may have been occuring, don't you think?

 

I think labeling all muslims as extremists and terrorists is a bit of an exaggeration. And that's exactly why I used those terms.

But I am truly shocked at the extent of the proselytizing going on the military. It didn't used to be that way. And after seeing Rumsfield's covers I can only surmise that it was promoted during the last administration. And the evidence is pointing in that direction. I find it extremely scary that we allowed our nation to be put in such a position.

And to Hiptastic I find this subject way too serious to make light of it.

 

Who has done that?

In my opinion you have concocted an exaggerated idea here...

Saying things like;

Does not help either.

Go back a few pages and take a longer look at the link about....heck, quicker to just post it again:United States Commission on International Religious Freedom

It does seem you are wanting something to be more true than it actually is. Digging around to find any hint of proselytizing.

Even saying "Rumsfield's covers" is wishing to entangle people that are not really involved. Making it seem more of an issue than it actually is.

Seriously, look at other things for a while...see what the hundreds of thousands of other troops are doing - that has nothing to do with religion. It may provide a little balance.

I don't wish to patronise you, honest.

 

It's common knowledge. They are all over Iraq.

 

Source = conspiracy website.

 

Is Salon.com a "conspiracy website"?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/02/15/tomengelhardt/

Also:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/03/AR2006020302994_pf.html

Guess you're wrong once again.

 

Permanent US bases in Iraq:

http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

 

No, but this years-old article doesn't prove that these are permanent bases. One clue that you seem to have inexplicably missed is that the headline is followed by a question mark ("Permanent bases in Iraq?"). In fact the article claims the British want a permenent base in Basra, yet they have already left.

The word permanent doesn't even appear once in this article.

This is what I like about debating you Rat. You absolutely do not give a crap whether anything you say it true. You link to articles that don't support your argument and then declare victory. You make it too easy.

Wake up and do your research Rat.

 

Pwnd!

*cue the anti-attacking melodrama*

 

Erm, thanks Hiptastic.

 

I do look at the entire picture. I am glad that it's not happening wholesale. But the fact that it was allowed to happen and at a cabinet level without anyone stepping up and saying that it was not allowable is just wrong. The fact that the past administration played that game and allowed members of the armed forces to be sucked into it is a symptom of a much larger problem.

The fact that our current secretary of the army is on record as supporting the evangelical goals of the CCC's military ministry is disturbing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/mr-president-elect-please_b_149763.html