Is Circumcision an Infringement of Male Rights ?

i think this is all silly, imo. i was circumsised. i was pissed off at the start when i hurt. theni got over it.

the foreskin has no purpose

i can masturbate without it.

the only reason you would keep it would be for visual or pride based reasons. i had a hurting penis and since my dad had a problem with his forskin once, my mum got me circumsized.

what the hell is wrong iwth it? its NOTHING like female circumsizion which would sorta be like chopping off the whole male penis. or just making it as sensitive as any normal part of the body like your arm. its horrible. and can have bad rammifications laterlife with pregnancy.

foreskin might help a bit with some elements of sex.

who really cares. i cant see how it has anything to do with fitting in. no one even cares or asks now except every once in a while the topic will be around, and its not like mature people think twice about someones answer.

such a typical american thing, to argue that its a violation of rights.. pfft

 

Again, female circumcision can involve a simple cut to the labia or a procedure to remove some extraneous flesh, or to simply tighten the vaginal passage a bit. Full on clitorectomy and massive amounts of mutilation are not the most widespread of procedures.

From wikipedia: "In mammals, the foreskin or prepuce is the retractable double-layered fold of skin and mucous membrane that covers the head of the penis, (the glans penis). It serves as a sheath to protect the glans penis. In a female, the clitoral foreskin, or hood, covers and protects the glans clitoris in a similar manner."

It's also made up of the same type of tissue and nerve endings that make up the labia, as well as serving as a lubricating agent for the glans. Also some other reasons for having it, a link from a source I admit is biased in the matter, but provides some good reading about mechanics and purpose of the foreskin: http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/

And if parents are talking about how they don't want their children to be different in this very thread, well then fitting in certainly is part of the issue, as posters have admitted that very thing.

Also this is not an "American thing" to think that it's a violation of the rights of a child. People all around the world, especially in places where more routine circumcision is being practiced, are involved in the debate. Personally I don't call it a violation of rights, a parent does have the right to decide what to do to their child as far as operations aand procedures go. If they wish for a child not to receive life support, not get flu shots, whatever... I say that's well within their parental rights and it should be respected.

However the practice of circumcising simply because everyone else is doing it and it was done to you is something that I think is wrong. If you have a valid medical or religious reason that it one thing, but to just want it done because that's what we do here in America, well that's not a very good reason at all. In that case it is something that people should think more about. Just as certain members of what I would call an Underground Culture here look at other aspects of their lives a bit more closely than others, I feel that they should realize that this is a bit more lasting of an issue than whether or not a woman shaves her armpits or you decide to wear strange clothes or wear your hair long.

 

Ok the biggest complaint is that men are over bearing power trippers when it comes to sex. When often a male child in the US's first big memories are of his penis being cut with no anesthesia. Now as it was suppose to be the male penis head is meant to be moist like the eyeball or the or the tongue. Unlike the tungue and the eyeball the penis is PACKED with pain receptors. So this very sensitive area is just left to dry out and form the scar tissue that is the penis head of the circumsized man.

I've never hurt my son in the name of fashion and I hope I never will.

 

This is a left over sick relgious pratice that should be outlawed. Well ok, not that bad. But doing it just for the hell of it is wrong wrong wrong. But for the record it isn't required in the USA by any means. The mother gets a paper she must sign if she wants it done. Its more like well I don't want my son to be different, so I'll cut off part of his PENIS! Great IDEA! NOT! We need to band together to spread the word its not cool. When my friend had a kid at age 16 in Maryland, USA, I convince her not to have the circumsion done. It can always be done later, but you can never add it back.

 

I think like anything, it's hard to be aware of the cultural bagage behind certain practices before we embrace them..circumcision is just one of those customs that are symptomatic of the way we just embrace gender rules and dogmas without thinking twice about it. "It's just the way it is"..

Except in this case, the practice is actually very violent and it involves taking a part of flesh and pleasure from little boys to control their pleasure. There is absolutely no difference between that and female circumscision, cause it all comes down to religious forces and traditions trying to control our sexuality in one or the other..

I don't think male circumsion is a begin act compared to females. I still remember mine and yet I was only 4year old. I was in excruciating pain for a week, and after that everytime I witnessed other little boys being circumcised and screaming for help, I felt such a sense of betrayal coming from adults who allowed it to happen. I saw them as complicits who brought boys to the doctors and held them down while they were butchered against their will. I never once saw a little boy smiling or wanting to be circumsized. All I ever saw was angry, pained and traumatized faces. That's the exact same thing I witness in girls being circumsized too..no difference

 

it's cleaner..proving that females that have sex with an uncircumcised man...are more likely to have cervial cancer.

 

I found this on this site
http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/bbc_cancer.htm

"...as long as uncircumcised men are careful about keeping their genitals clean, the risk of cervical cancer in their partners should not be any greater than that for circumcised men. "

So if moms jut teach there boys two things

1. there is no reason to have as many sexual partners as you can get and to only sleep with people you trly love more than others

2. keep you man root clean

Then it isn't a problem. I'm glad this was posted so I can tell my son.

 

good research...but i just think they look ugly

 

Quite honestly, reading the arguments from pro-circumcision people makes me want to gag. I really think you people are being ridiculous.

This is a purely cosmetic surgery, and cosmetic surgery should never, and I mean NEVER be something parents choose for their children before they are able to make the decision for themselves. At least wait until they're old enough to talk, if not until later. It should be THEIR choice, not yours.

And then you come up with these absolutely ridiculous excuses for wanting it done...

"It looks better." Why the hell do you care what your son's penis looks like, provided it does the job it was intended to do? Over-occupied with looks, are we?

"It's cleaner." By that argument, we should be having it done to girls, too. Girls have foreskins that are even harder to get to than boys' foreskins.

Obviously, I am appalled by the very concept of circumcision (as well as every other form of child-mutilation), and if I have children I will not have it done to them.

 

""It's cleaner." By that argument, we should be having it done to girls, too. Girls have foreskins that are even harder to get to than boys' foreskins."

That's a good point, as are the facts about rates of infection being the same for males regardless of whether or not they have been circumcised.

Labial smegma is common amongst women, and it's a naturally ocurring substance that if you keep clean you don't have to worry about. Infections can certainly happen, and they often do happen in women as this seems to be a trickier area to maintain cleanliness in to prevent yeast infections for instance, according to my readings.

Does that mean I want women to have cosmetic work done to their labias in order to prevent that? Of course not, I'd find it awful if women were being essentially forced to alter themselves in that manner in order to fit in to society properly.

 

one idiot here.

 

another idiot here

 

beats the hell out of doctors with scapels around your penis.

 

you notice both idiots are females.

 

i could call a bunch of nasty words but why bother with a dense brain like yours.

 

im going to thank my dad for removing 1 lung , in case 1 gets cancer, 1 eye lid you never know, my apendix what the hell right. im trying to expand the list of organs mother nature took millions to get it right so 2 dumb broads like above could have them removed .. i like to take both bitches and removed the clitory hood and every skin fold around that nasty pussy "you can tell i get real bent out of shape around ignorant people with a PC to top it off.

 

What are you talking about man? She said it's totally fine and she chose for her son to be natural. She merely mentioned the arguments used by proponents of circumcision, and then disagreed with them. Your response seems pretty far off base and there's no reason to stoop to calling people idiots for having their opinions. Especially when they agree with you.

 

SplillVortex this topic is not intended to point out fingers at others..

People are not as informed on this matter, and as Maya Angelou said when "when you know better you do better", at least I hope..

We can always point to a thousand things the other one does in the name of some order, whether it's religion, patriarchy or esthetism (and looking at your post it does not seem you're necessarly free of "cultural baggage" when it comes to your view on females.)

 

I respect your reason for circumcising your son, and it's a valid one considering you did not have the knowledge.

 

Why? because it made a lot of sense for me to...

The universe is interconnected, and the question of circumcision & the perception of gays are both rooted in our religious culture which tries to control our sexualities in one way or other. I just wanted to make that point, and show how myths can be constructed to the point where they come to make perfect sense, and get embraced by smart thinking and seemingly compassionate people.

But, it really is hard to extract oneself from one's culture, unless you had the chance to experience something else.. It would be like expecting a mother in one of the African tribes who perform female circumcision to just wake up one day, and say "this practice makes no sense".. And yet we feel free to say 'oh that's not the same, it's more barbaric, they cut more' and it prevents us to look at ourselves in how we perpetrate the same things unto our children and others.

And by the way, this is *not* to say that the people who do not circumsize their children have more merit than others because their decision is not always the result of a long and deliberate soul searching. Sometime it is, but often they can just follow the trends their cultures vehiculate! And if they don't partake in circumsison it's something else. So we still have a long way to go in more ways than one..