is drunkenness a psychedelic experience?

Yes, thats right, you live in total denial, but as I said above, thats alright. (BTW thanks for just giving a prove of it in your answer above... )

 

Definition?

Here's Webster's definition:
"Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis."

See? It doesn't say an experience has to necessarily include hallucinations, but also distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and states of psychosis, which alcohol certainly produce so, like I said, stfu.

 

Do you want to make a war agaisnt me personnaly? why dont you get the fuck out of this forum instead then? or meet me face to face?
Maybe you should stop smoking doesnt looks like it is doing you any good at all.
And that post was not given to you but to another person and who gives a fuck about your definition, are you trying to get some brownie points or what?
Who has ever said that psychadelic was characterised by hallucination only?
YOU?
You are so full of shit that you cant even see it.
I am posting in that thread because the subject interested me, but you came here because you saw I was in, with the sole purpose of stalking me.
So get out, or drop this.

You own me 3 apologises.

 

hahahaha NO! I came here because I have an opinion on the subject. I don't know you from a brick in the wall, so why do I give a shit what thread you post in?

Just so you know, I respect you and your opinion. I'm only stating mine. Just don't say that my opinion isn't worthy, because it has just as much worth as your opinion does.

 

Proof?

 

The definition that you mentioned is for the adjective not the noun. The adjective meaning is a descriptor of what the noun is. "Psychedelic", the word was made up and first used by Humphry Osmond in 1957, as a noun, to specifically describe the effects of the LSD, mescaline, etc.

I understand what you are saying, and its completely true that alcohol is psycho-active. Psychedelic chemicals are also psycho-active (obviously), there maybe some similarities psychologically but alcohol as chemical doesn't effect the body and brain, in a physical sense, the way that the classic psychedelics chemicals do. I think that the closest someone could come to a psychedelic experience from alcohol would be from getting delirium tremors when trying to withdrawl from long term addiction. I would have to say that a lot other psycho-active drugs are closer to being psychedelic then alcohol, things like pcp, mdma, ketamine, etc or even staying awake a few days on meth, but still fall far short of the real thing.

 

Thank you for giving a reasonable response to my posts. I agree with you that alcohol is not a traditional psychedelic. By my way of thinking, though, any form of mind expansion/alteration is a FORM of psychedelia, in the sense that it changes your way of thinking and helps you to come to realizations that you wouldn't have come to, otherwise. That is only my opinion though, and thank you for being reasonable, unlike some others.

 

Saying " SHUT THE FUCK UP!" IS NOT STATING AN OPINION BUT INSULTING A USER WITHOUT ANY REASONS. REPEATING IT IS STALKING A USER. COMMENTING NEGATIVLY ON THE SAME USERS COMMENT TO ANOTHER USER, EVEN WHEN NEITHER DIRECTLY NOR INDIRECTLY BEING INVITED NOR INVOLVED IN IT, IS HARRASSING THAT USER.

Still pretending that it isnt the case while concluding your post by stating "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" is denying evidences, and being provocative.

Asking for proof of the obvious is being blind, and offending.

Agression do not invite trust, kindness, nor friendlyness in. It can only open to hurt feelings and escalating agression. So refrain.

 

Now, now, kids. Let's play nicely.


About definitions:

Words acquire their definitions by what people - we - decide upon. Neither TopNotchStoner or dd3stp233 is correct in the absolute sense (i.e. words don't have inherent definitions naturally). The solution to problems like this has always been very simple (IMO): if two people disagree on the definition of a word, split the definition up. A psychedelic in the classic sense (i.e. LSD, mescalin, mushrooms, etc.) could be called a "classic psychedelic" whereas a psychedelic in the modern sense (marijuana, MDMA, maybe even alcohol) could be called a "modern psychedelic" (we could even call them "TopNotchStoner psychedelics" and "dd3stp233 psychedelics" ). So long as we're clear on which term we're using and what it's definition is, we're good.

 

you are really messed up!

you are going to drive yourself crazy if you keep that shit up.

i take back what i said about you being able to enjoy a more enlightened state of mind. you are more blind then i had originally thought.

to say that i am prejudice is all one needs to know about how screwed up you are. please define prejudice and give the example of when i was acting in such a way - unfortunately you will not find anything. i am not prejudice. you are a fool to think so.

i am just trying to snap you out of it. come back to reality sweet heart.

there is no way in hell that you are higher then someone on lsd. a strange perspective to say the least. you have no idea what you are talking about - or in other words you are full of shit.

that is just my opinion. not an insult - you and your fragile ego are looking for reasons not to hear my point. too bad for you.

i dont make any observations until i have reason to. you would be good to back up and think a little before you jump to your completely irrational reaction. i have something to show you - that is why i took the time out of my life to offer you some advise. - this is of course my right seeing that i am wiser then you. if you dont think that you should at least consider what i have to say then maybe you should just keep your mouth shut - because if you havent even considered what i had to say then you dont know well enough what you are talking about to make any good points on the matter and would have been better to just sit there and pout. i dont mind that you have something to say but slander due to your bruised ego is not worth reading.

you are too far down that path to admit that maybe you are making a mistake. wrong path - a waste of your time and as a result you are one very messed up individual.

 

very hypocritical.

why are you trying to boss this guy around? are you trying to upset him or intimidate him? you most certainly are not being nice.

all you do is state your opinion. you say it must be the weed that is his problem but fail to explain. one could think that you are prejudice towards drug users.

you feel superior because you think you have it all figured out.

whatever it is you figured out - you forgot some things... open your mind and open your heart. we all have our opinions and perspectives and although they all may very, there is still room for love and acceptance - that is something you lack.

if anything i think it is you who could use a couple hits of a joint.

 

i would really like an answer to that question.

 

there isn t any absinthe in france .
For the alcohol to be psychedelic i would just say : ...... NOOOOO!!!! try to reflect a minimum

see you...

 

I never said that alcohol was a psychedelic, i was in fact arguing with one who was pretending that it was. And gave an exple as in what situation it could eventually be considered as having psychadelic aspect, as the last stage of alcoholism a few months before death:with Delirium tremens, and the kind of state you are in when using absinthe for a very long time.
Absinthe was used by van gogh and by several poets to get inspiration, to open their mind. But i do not consider it to be a psychadelic. For me psychadelic refer only to the effects that mushrooms give, and the copy of the mushrooms, who are to be found in all chemical copy of it in the psychadelic pharmacopy.
The mushrooms where originaly used by the shamans of latin america, as their usual ways of getting connected was failing more and more.
So they used what become known as " the mushrooms' way" and was developed from there through experiencing the effect of those mushrooms and their mixings.
We made a copy of the mushrooms, and created LSD. But all the knowledge as how to access there and what to do once there and how to open your mind to what and what to do, and the dosis and preparations, all got lost.
So we are nothing in that area but amators, kids playing with it where most do it for the pleasure and entertainment and rush they get out of it, and often the escape it provide them from the real world. Some use it to extend their knowledge of the world and their understanding of themselves.

As for absinthe you can found it, depends where you ask. In Danmark it is legal, i had this teacher in electronic who offered a bottle of it to another teacher for some celebration thing. It was delivered in a real luxus pack with the special spoon to warm the absinthe in, and all.. a bit like offering a bottle of Heroin to a teacher with the spoon and material. There was no lighter attached thought.
For me a psychadelic can only be mushrooms and derivated from it, as chemical copy of their central components.
Psychadelia can only describe the effects given by those products and no others.
The way of marijuana is not the way of the mushroom and can therefor not be compared. It is 2 very different ways of revelation and opening. They do not access the same sphere of understanding and do not access your inner world in the same ways. The approach is different. One use a side way, the other project you directly and use the chok effect to distangle you from the rest.
When i was a little girl, I was a mushroom, thats why i know so much about my familly.

 

you didnt read the thread and keep posting heavy criticism of it and non sense without even knowing what the subject of it si. so use your own precept about love and optimism i will relaly like to see you do that. I think that in fact you talk of love cause you are fill with hatress and of how important it is to be optimistic because you are such a deep rooted pessimist.

Personal attacks are not iopinion but insults.
As for comments and opinion, one can only give ones opinion in a matter that one has read or seen or know about. If you dont even know what is the matter, how can you give any opinion about it? iits just non sense and useless criticism. Youa re just being negativ for the purpose of beign negativ.
You are arguing with yourself, not with the subject at hand, not with me , but with yourself.
So get yourself a mirror, and keep talking..

 

Did anyone ring the bell after you?
NO
This post was adressed to someone else than you who is a very good person and got brain, and what we got together is none of your business.
You just prove here that all you are after is to create problems, and dissentions. You want feud? go out and have a fight. You are just jealous and frustrated and need to get the steam out on somebody and you pick me.

You are projecting on me all the hatress you feel for you, and are accusing me of all the shit that you lack and do..
like this one:
<<whatever it is you figured out - you forgot some things... open your mind and open your heart. we all have our opinions and perspectives and although they all may very, there is still room for love and acceptance - that is something you lack.>>
That one was for you.

You are not open minded, you are not loving, and you are very intolerant.
The alone perspectives you have shown yourself to be able to accept were yours. You judge and judge and condemn all the time. You dont even look at what you are condemning you condemn it out of what you imagine it is, meaning out of what is inside your head, and not outhtere. So point your finger at yourself for a change, and start recitating the same chants you have been shouting at me for days.

You've got a finger, I've got a laser beam, and i dont even have to use it as you chuck yourself in your own sea of words and non sens.

You assume i know so much and assume i am proud of it and assume that i feel superior because you are jealous of me and because it is exactly how you will be feeling if you had done what i did.
But guess what? You are not me, and i am neither your feelings nor in your head. I am there where you cant bug me without bugging you: in your WORLD.

You are in the process of transformation, be one with the flow, or get smashed by it.


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sounds like you hate me

you dont understand what love is - otherwise you would know where i am coming from.

you are about to get smashed by it...lol.

i speak my mind honestly because that is how one loves. you know what i see in you so that you may better yourself. this is not to hurt you. you hurt yourself - what you are feeling now you are doing to yourself,, i am not doing that to you.

pointing out where others can better themselves is how to love someone. all the reasons you think i am a horrible person are the reasons why i am the one YOU should be listening to. i am honest, i am real.

you think that i am a horrible person because i can see your faults. i can see your faults because you are to learn from me. i offer you advice because i love you as i love all humanity and myself.

i would be wrong to sit back silent when i could be of so much help.

you are not listening and you resort to slander in attempts to convince yourself and who ever else may care that i am not one to listen to. you are only strengthening your denial. in some way i know i am getting through to you and i do not regret taking the time to make myself heard.

sorry i tried to help you. i really do feel sorry for you, more now then i did before - i guess that is because i know you better now. you poor soul.

 

LOL... that has got to be the dumbest point you have tried to make.

one does not understand how important it is to be optimistic without being optimistic.

just because you are to stupid to understand what it means to be optimistic does not mean that i am pessimistic.

 

all what you are accusing me off are things you are doing to me and things who are a lie all of it. There isnt one single word of truth in any thing you are saying to me and agaisnt me. You cna print everything you have psoted until now and read it as guidance for yourself.
You are talking and acting as a total jerk.
Nothing else.

 

exactly my point.
and now can you so understand why you dont understand a shit about anything?
because you are where you think i am and i am where you think you are..
In short, you got the whole picture up side down.

You will also notice that you are hte alone one attaking me constantly since 6 hours now and in 2 threads, and in both cases for no reasons at all and for the silliest ground, and that in both cases you are accusing me of doing what you are doing and is obvious for all except you, and that you are also the alone one offending the other and insulting the other and calling me names all the time.

it is very funny to hear you preach in one hand to be open minded to others opinions and views and accepting and not trying to control others, and in the other one to see you being so bull dog agressive agaisnt me and attacking me for not havign the same views as you do and for not wanting to do as you told, and being totaling intolerant towards me and basically attacking em because I exist. You cant found anything to crticise me about, so made it up, all what you say are lies and are artificially made by your sick mind.
You are projecting yourself on me.
Maybe you got some bad shrooms and are in the middle of a bad trip.

get yourself some rehab or fuck off, I personaly dont care.