Is God 1 or 3? [Or] Is Jesus God or part of God? [Let the Gospel answer]

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Quraan:… inspite of the fact that a party of them used to hear the Word of Allah, then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?...Know they not that Allah knows what they conceal and what they reveal, … then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, this is from Allah, … Woe to them for what their hands have written…
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Jeremiah 8.8 " 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely
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When I was trying to find the Gospel of Barnapas on line for you, I wrote in the search engine ''Barnabas" and this link appeared to me, I copied it and pasted it for you and I didn't check the website, however, I think because the Gospel of Barnabas is the closest Gospel in respect of Jesus' identity and teachings to the Islamic version in many verses. It is not permissible to believe in any current Gospel as the word of Allah in Islam.
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You're more than welcome =)
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YoursSincerely,
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CatStevens
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Well put!

Sadly, an appropriate song:

Something's wrong in this house today
While the master was riding the servants decided to play
Something's wrong in this house today
Something's been going on, there may be a price to pay

There's evil brewing, getting out of control
And I'm helpless, I can't put it right
Something unrighteous is possessing my soul
And it's cold in the heat of the night

Something's wrong in this house today
While the sorcerer slept the apprentice decided to play

While the master was hiding the servants decided to play
Might be too much sun or too much of something in the air
Whatever's happening, nobody else is aware

There's evil brewing, getting out of control
And I'm helpless and can't put it right
Something unrighteous is possessing my soul
And it's cold in the heat of the night

Something's wrong in this house today
Something's been going on, there may be a price to pay...

"May Be A Price To Pay"
Written By Alan Parsons and Eric Woolfson
from The Alan Parsons Project Album "The Turn of A Friendly Card" (1980)

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Once again, I laud your noble efforts in locating such information.

It's too bad that we have to make religion so exclusive and denounce what doesn't fit into one's agenda. Perhaps I view spiritual matters from a broad persective, but I think that we need to learn more from others that do not necessarily share our views. I, for one may not necessarily agree with you, and you not me. Nevertheless, I do want to hear what you have to say.

This next point is off topic, but I thought you might like to check the following website dealing with Islam and freedom: http://www.minaret.org/
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Don't mention it, my pleasure =)
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It isn't forbidden to know and read others views from different cultures, beliefs and views regarding matters etc, but ''Muslims do not need any other scriptures to base their faith on, either in full or in part. And it is erroneous to think that Muslims reject the bible in too and do not accept a single passage of it, if such a passage is confirmed by the Quraan or the Islamic teachings (doesn't disagree with Allah's teachings and law)''
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YoursSincerely,
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CatStevens
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Please Note: There is ONE Unbroken Ring with no beginning or end and yet it is also revealing to you 'Three Parts' which are not 'Parts' but all of the same Essential and Unbroken, Undivided, One and Only One Eternal Part.
This is the Representation of what we mean by 'Triune' God as He has revealed himself through the Injeels.


[Please note: No human claims to 'Comprehend' how or why God chooses to reveal Himself this way just as none of us claims to 'Comprehend' how or why God can be Eternal, Omniscient or be in more than one place at the same time.
We are only 'Apprehending' what He reveals not 'Comprehending'.]

Comments, suggestions, questions?
(sorry I went over one sentence hehe )

 

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[A] The same essence in respect of what? Because they aren't equal, right? I mean each one has his own different function or has a level 'status', I mean for example the father and the Holy Spirit are higher and greater than Jesus.​

[B] And if God is inseparable and undividable nature how does it exist in three persons! Do you mean that it is undividable nature morally (immaterially) in his nature but dividable physically because his nature exists in three separated persons or figures?​

Does the bible or Jesus give such concept of God?

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The question is: Is God 1 or 3?

The answer till now is: here ​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Ghost are equal in the Godhead, yet their funtions are different. When Jesus said that the Father is greater than He, this was a true statement up to the point that the Father knew and directed Christ actions. My Father did the same thing with me. Yet in God's eyes we are equals. And together, Jesus, the Holy Ghost, and the Father all share the Glory of the Godhead equally as well. The reason you don't get it, is because you ignore all the scriptures that speak of who Jesus is. When the New Testament tells you that Jesus made the Earth you ignore that. When the New Testament tells you they worshipped Christ you play with the words. When the New Testament tells you, that only by the shed blood of Christ can the world be saved, you ignore that. When the Bible tells you, that only throught the name of Jesus Christ can a man be saved, you ignore that. Your whole arguement, rests on a denial of the Scriptures.
The day will come when you will stand before the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will have to give an account to Him, why you denied Him in this life. Your denial of Jesus Christ, will guarantee you a place in the lake of fire.
Without the blood of Christ you don't stand a chance in the life to come. Your works cannot save you, your sins will be layed bare before the throne of God. Without the covering of the shed blood of Jesus Christ, you will not pass go, you will not collect 200 dollars, you will join the ranks of the damned. All you are doing here, is casting coals on your own head. When you stand before the Throne of God and tell Him that His Son was a Prophet, God will ask you, was my Son your Saviour? And when you tell Him no. Then God will speak, and He will tell you, depart from Me, I never knew you. WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST, THIS WILL BE YOUR FUTURE.

 

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Where is the proof that God is a triune God? Where is the proof that the Holy Spirit (the angel) is God?
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Well, what I understand from what you've said that they are 2 different persons! 2 Gods not 1.
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I don't ignore that? It is me who misunderstand the verses of the scriptures or you.
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It didn't tell me that? I already discussed it. Please don't repeat.
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Why only by the shed blood of Christ I can be saved?
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What do you mean by through his name I can be saved?
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Dear Campbell he didn't make it clear? Is this an acceptable excuse?
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Jesus is our saviour if we believe in his message which he brought it from God (the father), I believe in that message.
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I do believe in the Messiah, but he isn't God.
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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JESUS MADE IT VERY CLEAR.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE; no man cometh unto the Father but by me.

1 John 3:16
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us:

1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1 John 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1 John 8,9
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We cannot work out our own salvation, not one of us will be able to brag that we were so good in this life, that God had to send us to heaven. We all have failed God's standard. Thats why God tells us in Romans 3:23, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Jesus was the Lamb that was slain, He is God's blood sacrifice. All who give their life to Christ will be covered by His blood. God did not send anyone else. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abideth on him.

 

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* Assume that you have never seen a computer before and never heard of it. If I brought a computer to you and gave it to you, would you know what to do with it? Would you be able to use to its full potential?" "No, "Now, if I gave you a catalogue for the computer, then you will be able to better use it? Correct?" "In Islam, we view Quraan as the catalogue used by human beings to manage their lives. Without this catalogue, they will ruin themselves! Now, if this inventor of the computer assembled the machine and printed the catalogue, what would be the next step? He would need to train some engineers and others on how to spread the message about this machine. These people would, in turn, train others and others until everyone knows about the machine. In the example of Allah and Quraan, the prophets of Allah play the role of the engineers. They learn the message and teach it to others so that the message will spread
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* Before Jesus spoke these words, he said; "In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places); if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion (a dwelling place) for you." (John 14:2). The above explicit statement confirms that Jesus was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's house". Obviously, the prophets that came before him and the one to come after, were to prepare the other mansions for their respective followers. The prophet that came after Jesus had evidently shown the current "way" to a modern mansion in the kingdom of heaven.
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Besides; the verse clearly states; Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. It is a folly to believe that Jesus (or any prophet) was the "DESTINATION".
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* Jesus said; "I am the door" to find the pasture. (Jn.10:9).
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* A sheep that walks through the "door" will find the pasture.
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* A sheep that circles around the "door" will never find the pasture.
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One who crosses over the "way" will reach the mansion. Anyone that stops on the "way" and believes the "way" to be the end of his/her journey, will be out in the open without any shelter and a roof.
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Jesus said; "Not every one that says to me; `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father, who is in heaven." (Mt.7:21).
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* Briefly: è I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE; no man cometh unto the Father but by me.
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When can know the way to the father, the truth and the life through Jesus at the time, because God taught him, otherwise, how would we know? Someone should tell us? It was Jesus and through him so he is the way, the truth and the life. How can I know the right way to perform praying according to the Islamic fashion? I should go to a Sheikh, he is the way? And so on. Metaphors.
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John 5:30: By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
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John 8:28: So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
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John 7:16: Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Please don't quote to me anything out (the Torah and the 4 gospels) as a proof. Jesus didn't die on the cross, Matthew 26:39: …he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." He didn't want to die for your sins =), however, God answered his pray, he heard him and saved him =) John 11.41-42:… I knew that thou hearest me always
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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He didn't want to suffer on the cross (like any person would). He was scared and sweated blood, but He did want to save mankind.

 

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He didn't want to be killed (this cup)​

Matthew 26:39: …he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." ​

when Jesus talks about saving he doesn't mean what Paul taught you about at all.​

God should be strong and Al-mighty, Why is he scared and afraid and sad to the extant that he sweated blood?​

Was the Father unjust by doing this to his innocent son?​

or Paul is unjust?​

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Yet ye say, The way of the LORD is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?​

The way of the LORD is not equal.O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD.​

Ezekiel 33:20​

O ye house of Israel,I will judge you every one after his ways.​

Quraan: Did you (O Muhammad) observe him who turned away… is with him the knowledge of the unseen so that he sees? Or is he not informed with what is in the pages (scripture) of Moses… that no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another. And that man can have nothing but what he does (good or bad)​

Quraan: And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the Ayat (verses, revelations, etc.) of his Lord,but turns away from them ​

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Matthew 13:13". . . They seeing, see not; and hearing, they hear not, neither do they understand" ​

Quraan: They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).​

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Peace and love​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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I do believe that Jesus is the son of God​

Jesus is the son of God èlink ​

Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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True =) ​

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No, isn't God, nor he was inspired by God.​

•Israel is My son, My first-born(Exodus 4: 22)
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•The Lord said unto me, thou art my Son; this day have I begotten
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thee (Psalms 2: 7).
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I Do believe in Jesus (the Son)​

Jesus is the son of God èlink ​

Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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First of all, what is with you obsession with Cat Stevens?... I never figured that out.

Second, in regards to Matthew 26:39...


-Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane, just a short while after urging His disciples to drink of His cup. As He prayed fervently and emotionally to His Father in heaven, the symbol of the cup was fresh in His mind. Just as He had given His disciples a cup from which to drink, so had the Father placed a cup before Him! Notice Matthew 26:39: "He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, 'O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.'"

In the Old Testament, the cup is also a metaphor for the divine punishment of sin. Hence, Jesus' death would involve far more than just physical torture and death. Christ would become the target of untold divine wrath, as every sin that had ever been committed would be heaped on this one sinless Being! He who had sought always to do the will of His Father perfectly, He who had heard His loving Father exclaim, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased," would now experience His Father's overflowing wrath for all sin, including all the worst sins! Some of what He suffered was for our sins—yours and mine.

Jesus knew that death and incurring God's wrath for sin comprised the climax of His mission on earth as the Messiah. But now, as that hour approached, His awareness of God's wrath against sin became even more intense! The Bible explains this in detail in Romans 1:18—3:20. To Jesus, it was an unimaginable horror!




In regards to what Paul wrote, what Jesus said is just as valid as Paul wrote. The Gospels and the teachings of Paul do not contradict and they are BOTH inspired by God.

 

Cat you are casting coals on your own head, because you play games with the Word of God. The day will come when you will stand before Him. The Bible tells us, it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. You don't believe the Bible, and you fantasize away it's truth with your long posts, and your imagination. Your religion encourages murder and slaughter, and can justify this from your book. Only the world outcry saved a Christian who left your faith. Your faith would of murdered this man. I leave you to your God that encourges murder. I see what fruit has come from your faith. Those who justify the killing of the innocent by straping bombs on themselves, and all for the glory of Allah. You can have this God, I will follow Jesus Christ, and I will believe His words. And I see what Christians are doing in this world to make it a better place, and I see what your people are doing in this world to justify their killing and murder.
Killing and murder, are of the Devil.

 

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Off topic, briefly, No I am not obsessive about catstevens at all, I'd like to use his photos sometimes instead of icons or smileys, my nickname is catstevens , so it is very appropriate =)

I think I read something interesting about this somewhere; I will try to look for it to post it.

What do you exactly mean by this? Did I miss something? why was he praying? For what? What did he want?
And regarding: Matthew 17:46:"Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" what does he mean here?
[Quote=JesusDiedForU] every sin that had ever been committed would be heaped on this one sinless Being! [/Quote]

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Ezekiel 33:20​

Exodus 34.6-7​

And the LORD … proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin.​

Quraan: And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (great sins) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allah and ask forgiveness for their; - and none forgive sins but Allah- and do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know. 136. For such, the reward is forgiveness from their Lord ​

Quraan: … "And who despairs of the Mercy of his Lord except those who are astray?" see he called them astray! What a Merciful God. ​

Quraan: … "O My slaves who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: verily, Allah forgives all sins. Truly He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."​

So Adam and Eve were responsible for their own deed, ​

Quraan: then Adam received from his Lord Words. And his Lord pardon him (accepted his repentance). Verily, He is the One who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.​

Matthew 19.14: But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heavenèdoes that mean that everybody is born without sin and all children belong to the Kingdom of heaven? But when they grow up and understand then they will be judged according to their deeds! Did I misunderstand it?​

Peace and love ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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He even didn't have an idea about it, it is made up. ​

Jeremiah 31.30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity ​

In your POV.​

Peace and love ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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may God takes my soul before I do such an act. Isn't me who's playing these games. It is obvious who's doing that =)​

You worship three Gods! God stated several times in the Bible that he is one, yet you worship three, without any single proof, ​

Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."[This confirms that Jesus preached to worship One and Only God, not trinity.] Does God have a God? (Our God is one Lordè our points that it is Jesus' God too?)Jesus said: "And this is eternal life, that they may know Theeè(the father) the only true God" (John 17:3). And because God is the only one who should be worshipped,
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John 4.21-34: (Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Fatherè (he said the father he didn't mention the son nor the Holy Spirit, he only mentioned the father because the father is God and God only should be worshipped). Ye worship ye know not what, we know what we worship… and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father…for the Father seeketh such to worship him.​

It is up to you anyway ​

Peace and love ​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

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