Is Hoffman The Modern Day Christ?

i do not claim to be a holy man. i am not a religious man. that is why you have a hard time understanding what i mean - you consider enlightenment to be something out of your religious books.

i talk about myself as it pertains to the subject at hand. i don’t talk about being enlightened so that i can get some sort of recognition for it. i am just offering up some examples of how i see things. i talk about how i see the world and myself in it. for you this is some sort of sign that i am not jesus or a son of god or a messiah. you take the word enlightenment to mean something out of reach for us. i have been posting on these forums for a long time now and you have already learned much from me. a long time ago you made a complete fool out of yourself on this same subject. you actually started calling me a fag among other things. what i talk about in these forums might not fit in with your understanding of religion and spirituality but that does not mean that what i say is any less enlightened. basically your insistence that i am not what i say i am is not only crossing a line when it comes to the rules of this forum it also demonstrates how much you are not as 'holy' as you think you are. why does it upset you so much that someone believes something different than you? why must you attack someone’s beliefs and suggest that they are not a good person? you do not understand my beliefs and if you want to try to criticism them again i strongly suggest you take the time to get to know what my beliefs are. you take what i say and compare it to your religious teachings the whole time you don’t clue in to the fact that some people don’t see things the way you do.

the fact that you have to post on public forums about how much you KNOW that i am not what i say i am is what is disgusting. you suggest that when i mention that i consider myself to be an enlightened soul that i am full of shit when actually you are the one who falls short by feeling like you need to set us all strait. you can talk about who you are but you don’t know who i am. you are the moderator of this forum and you are attacking people for their personal beliefs - i am sure that i am far more respected under the light than anyone who feels like they have to dissect another’s spiritual beliefs.

if we were talking about some sort of science than sure go ahead and argue your point. but we are talking about spirituality and there is no way that you can know for sure what you are talking about especially when it comes to my beliefs.

i wouldnt have to stand up for my personal beliefs if someone wasnt attacking them. and if you go back and read i was not making an announcement. - i was just speaking my mind on the subject.

like we have already said - your definition of enlightenment is different than mine. under your definition i am not enlightened... we have already discovered this only you cant seem to admit it as you go on suggesting that your understanding of what enlightenment is is the right one. like you are some spiritual leader or know it all that we should all listen to. no man, i understand it differently and you are not going to change my mind on the subject. why you cant just leave it at that is what the real problem is. the best thing you could do with this argument is leave it alone. i have the right to my own spiritual beliefs and you would be a good person to understand that. i have the right to claim to be enlightened under my own definition of the word without having to defend my beliefs. - especially in the forums.

basically - i see enlightenment as a journey and not a final destination. that is where we will always but heads unless you can learn to accept my understanding. like i have said before - if you look at enlightenment as a final destination as you do than you are right - i am not there yet. the way i understand it makes more sense to me so i will not be changing my perspective. if you still can not understand where i am coming from then there is something wrong with you not me.

 

Thanks for clearing my own position up for me 3xi, I benefit from your kind, loving, enlightened advice on more accounts than I can remember. Not only are you right 100% here, but your modest about it too

 

Full awareness escapes you yet.

Perhaps a journey with several destinations along the way?

And the difference is?

 

Right, but it is the Self that Im talking about, the manifestation of one's own consciousness. Not the blueprints behind reality. Its up to every individual to choose to believe or not believe that human beings have objectivley transcended consciousness, but I am just one voice here saying that it's possible. But how much self discipline and will power one has to work towards that goal entirely determines wether or not its possible for oneself.
It's easy for us to point fingers and get all emotional about being right or wrong but in the end, does it even matter? I dont think it actually does.

 

this makes sense to me.

i am not going to go into my understanding of reality and enlightenment as it would take me all day. i would have to write a book and i am not at that point yet.

i know that there are many dark souls and many light souls living out a human existence. my mother is very dark as she has a long way to go towards enlightenment. i am very light as i have already come a long way towards enlightenment. i never said i was there yet.(fully enlightened)... i am further along in the process of enlightenment than most of the people alive today. there are many people who are just as evolved or even more evolved than i am. they might not consider themselves to be enlightened because they might use other words to describe their place in it all. not everyone who is a light being knows they are as they might not look at it in such a way. people who have lived many lives will naturally be more evolved and closer to that of nirvana. i think that nirvana is the final destination not enlightenment. at least that is how i understand it. after many lifetimes of becoming enlightened one will eventually find themselves in nirvana.

 

i actually edited that line to read something that i thought might be better...

i guess you quoted me before i changed it.

i also added a paragraph at the end that you might have missed.

 

Might I ask you how this is not from a religious scripture, as my opinion is, according to you?

 

It's not for your benifit that the comment was made.

And you're certainly correct, there is no matter of right and wrong, which is exactly what I'm hinting at when I say listening is the only option.

 

i have not read any scripture - you have

my understanding of spirituality is to serve who i am - not to serve you.

i am not saying (and i didn't say it anywhere) that your opinions are strait out of religious scripture. your opinions are effected by the scripture that you have read and related to. that is how you are different than me. why are you upset? i think that finding it in your heart to accept me for who i am would be a great thing. i realize that my views are so very different than yours - all the more reason to accept it.

 

3xi there is no need to get personal man this is just a light hearted discussion. But the reality is, wether you read any scripture or not, you did not coin the term Nirvana and you ARE influenced by scripture in a roundabout way. In fact, the same scripture that I have read, the same scripture you make light of every time I bring it up. The Bhagavad Gita. -

 

And 3xi I do accept you for who you are, over the time here I've even grown to like you from getting to know you. But this has nothing to do with what we are talking about man

 

words like nirvana and enlightenment are really only words. these words have been used in religious context for many many years. i understand why you think that how they are used and understood in religious scripture is the true meaning of the words.

like people, words evolve with time. what a word meant 1,000 years ago may not be what it means today. as we evolve so does our understanding of the way things are and even the words we use.

i know what the meaning to these words are in religious scripture but i do not agree. i think there is a better more evolved way of understanding such things. i know that one is really going to rub you the wrong way. how can i think that i know better than religious scripture. like the people who wrote the scripture i am someone with my own understanding. my understanding of karma, enlightenment and nirvana is naturally different than what the religious scripture dictates because i am alive in the 21'st century and the scripture was written so long ago. no doubt the way people think now a days are much different then way back when. because i don’t listen to what the religions tell me when i form my own understanding i am not bound by the ideals or beliefs of people who lived way before my time.

what really matters is that i know i am doing the right thing. i know i am living out my life in the best possible way given the life i was given. or in other words i know i am walking the path to the same place that everyone else is going. unlike most people my path is heading in the right direction. so many people are not conscious of where they are going and in that wind up running in circles for most of their life. i know that eventually we all get to the same place and i know that when i get there no one will be telling me that i loose points for using the incorrect meaning of the word enlightenment or that it would have been better if i didn’t talk about how much closer i am than everyone else.

 

that is really how it is. you do not need to understand how it all works... actually that would be redundant...

we are given a life to live not to sit around and waste it wondering why.

the way that we choose to live our lives is what matters. making better choices and living your life in a way the benefits everyone is what life, love and enlightenment is about.

that is why i don't read religious scripture.

 

3xi it is just a writing, a writing becomes religious by people who chose seperation rather than unification. The only true religion is God, the rest is mans rules, most based on insecurity, others based on control.
There is no "Bhagavad Gita" religion, there is only sects of Hindus (which, is a made up name that 'Hindus' tend to find rediculous) who differ in opinion as to how to go about worshippinh God and what God is. But the Gita itself is a book that has helped, at this point, billions of people come to terms with their soul. It is only religion if your own insecurity frightens itself into believing so.

 

Nobody is born perfect bro, all 'enlightenment' comes from wonderding Why am I here and What is this? To sit by idly goes against every teacher worth mentioning, but to dwell upon Why in a healthy way is, in my opinion, proper. To say you already know Why and not question further is to stake your own limit in comprehension as well as ability to learn.

 

just below that line you quoted you will notice that i did mention why. the point is that why is actually really simple and does not take a lot of wondering.

 

i would go with your theory maybe, if i believed in god, but i do not. so therefore maybe i mean you can believe in anything you want. look at scientology or however you spell it. its complete bull and people still believe it. i say go for it.

 

i don't really believe in god either... at least not in the traditional sense.

i believe that god is the universe. i do not believe that there is some supreme being. i believe we are all one - we are all a part of whatever this is. there is no god or creator - the universe just is and we are all a part of it. sometimes i will mention god but when i do i mean the universe. so usually when i am talking to people who don't know me well i avoid using the word god as i am sure that they will take that to mean something totally different than what i actually mean.

 

I believe that psychedelic fungus came from an alien colony and that truly, none of us have any idea what is going on and we just keep eating these drugs because they make us touch something greater than ourselves. But is it where we come from? Or is it where we're going? Can it really be both? It's hard to say. But let the teaching commence! Whatever it is, I will call it God, or a part of God that can be felt, because whatever it is it has made me feel like I was dying, only to wake up and realize that it's all about love. Sounds like God to me but Im just a monkey dancing in the Sunlight

 

from debate about labeling enlightenment to a debate about labeling god/not god. Let me get my popcorn!